PLEASE LIST THE BENEFITS OF OCALAN'S PEACE PLAN

[Nubahar]

i' don't want to speak more but i want to say this words...
O my people, we were sold...

[Fire]

befor i read any post
i have a question
is this ocalan peace plan or erdogan peace plan?

Öcalan said that what Erdogan had always in his dreams. Forget autonomy ,let alone Country. Leader Öcalan wants United Turkey which means that Kurds will have the same Status as they have now. A homeless 25 million North Kurdish People under Turkish flag and under the control of the subhuman Turks. Fundamentally this means that nothing will Change and that the 30 year fight of the North Kurds were for nothing. The fight for a Country or autonomy was for nothing. All the proud Kurds who died for this Nation died for nothing. I can imagine the big ugly smelly smile on Erdogans face today.

[kurdistanis1]

So you guys actually believe he "surrendered" for nothing? you think we're not going to get anything out of this? How about we let this play out a bit longer and see what the real plan is. The way this process is being described by some here is far from reality, 20 million people will not stop fighting for their rights just like that.

[Anthea]

There is NO hidden meaning in Ocalan's message. He has turned against Kurds and betrayed all those brave fighters in the PKK

If you think we are wrong then tell us which part of his message was on the side of the Kurds

[Fire]

So you guys actually believe he "surrendered" for nothing? you think we're not going to get anything out of this? How about we let this play out a bit longer and see what the real plan is. The way this process is being described by some here is far from reality, 20 million people will not stop fighting for their rights just like that.

After listen these Statements, it's more than obvious that Öcalan gave up his former Goal of Kurdish State/Autonomy/Independence and wants an United Turkey now, which basicially means that nothing will change. Kurds will be a homeless second and third class People like they always were and will live with their mongol subhuman enemies in one Country ,under their flag and under their control.

[freekurd2013]

this time i.ll not translate
i.ll just write the statment in this image and you have to translate it by your self or by http://translate.google.com/?hl=ar&tab=wT from arabic to english or turkish.............etc

إذا ألقيت سلاحك و أستسلمت
فذلك يعني أنك راضً أن يقرر الآخرون مصيرك
وحينها ستضطر إلى تنفيذ قراراتهم
مهما كانت هذه القرارات

[Anthea]

Nobody knows what to say today
Everyone is a little shocked by Ocalan's behaviour. He has destroyed the hopes and dreams of MILLIONS of Kurdish people who wanted an Independent Kurdistan for them and their children

Even I, who expected this am horrified at what Ocalan has done He has betrayed all those brave people who joined the PKK to fight for freedom

I have never understood why Ocalan's lawyers are not allowed to visit him. The only reasons I could think of are that Ocalan is either not the real Ocalan or he is brainwashed and on drugs. It has to be because only Ocalan's lawyers would notice the difference in the way Ocalan behaves, there is no other logical reason

[freekurd2013]

if anyone consider this a Victory
ok
it is a Victory, but the leader then should be Erdogan not ocalan
and you have to say (biji serok Erdogan)

[Anthea]

True this is a victory for erDEOGan

Ocalan has killed the hopes and dreams of MILLIONS of Kurds and the right of future generations of Kurds to grow up in an Independent Kurdistan

If you have thrown down your weapons and surrendered
That means that you are happy to let others decide your destiny
And then you will have to implement their decisions
Whatever these decisions may be

25 MILLION Kurds are NOT happy to let Turkey decide their destiny

ONE TRAITOR has forced that decision upon them

[Anthea]

Many weeks have past and I still have NOT learn of any benefits to the Kurdish peoples of North Kurdistan

Historical Kurdish site such as Hasankeyf are still going to be destroyed by Turkey

Since the PKK commenced it's evacuation from NK, I have seen little in the way of improvement for Kurds - just the opposite in fact - instead of withdrawing some of the Turkish troops from NK Turkey are building more military bases there

There was a great deal of talk about erDOGan changing Turkey's constitution - for Turkey to become an Islamic state instead of a secular state - also to improve the rights of minorities such as Kurds - and giving the President overall power - aimed by erDOGan at he himself then becoming President.

Since the anti-government protests in Turkey - including protests by right wing groups and Kemalists - it is becoming highly unlikely that erDOGan will be allowed to alter the Turkish constitution - the Kurds will be in a worse position than they were before the start of the erDOGan/Ocalan peace talks

[Anthea]

Firat News

The meeting between Wise People commission and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan ended in the evening, lasting shorter than expected as Erdoğan listened only to the presidents of the delegations on the grounds that he had another program for late today.

According to the information ANF obtained, Erdoğan made no mention of his AK Party's projects about the ongoing resolution process.

Referring to the withdrawal of Kurdish guerrillas from Turkish borders, Erdoğan reportedly said that “Only 10-15 percent of the groups has finalized the withdrawal, with the rest creating problems for still being present in their areas”. Erdoğan claimed that Kurdish guerrillas detained people in some regions.

Erdoğan continued speaking about the construction of dams in the Kurdish region, defending that the enhancement of dam constructions had nothing to do with "security" policies but was related with arrangements in international water management policies. "Turkey will be facing water shortage should we fail to build these dams", he said.

Anthea: FOOK that seems as though erDOGan intends to flood Hasankeyf as quick as he can And now with the PKK focusing on internal difficulties and the withdrawel they have little or no time to worry about the Turkish destruction of Hasankeyf.

Prestidigitation (slight of hand) - while Kurds are concentrating on the removal of the PKK and awaiting the promised benefits of the so-called peace plan - Turkey is speeding up the construction of dams in NK - that is NORTH KURDISTAN - the area Kurds were expecting to gain more control over under the so-called peace plan.

Let us also remember the building of more TURKISH military bases in NORTH KURDISTAN

The PM remarked that the construction of new military posts in the Kurdish region was supposed to continue as a need for border security and a precaution against potential internal problems considering the probability of various developments in Syria, Iran and Iraq.

Referring to demands for education in Kurdish, Erdoğan said his government had no constitutional projects on the mother tongue issue. "Turkish is the only official language and we have already enabled Kurdish as an elective course", he said.

The PM alleged that they employed no further village guards, saying they retired old village guards from th system and could appoint the rest to various institutions by granting all their social rights.

Erdoğan noted that their reform works were going on, remarking that they had however no reform package concerning the resolution process.

Maintaining his attitude towards the10 percent election threshold in Turkey, the highest in Europe, the PM pointed out that they in no way considered removing the threshold. "They should make an effort to pass it", he said, referring to the parties remaining below the threshold.

Erdoğan said they would take notice of the reports of the Wise People commission, collect all the outcomes of these works into a book and share it with the public.

http://en.firatnews.com/news/news/erdog ... agenda.htm

[Alend.Merani]

When the KDP went for an autonomy instead of a independent country, a lot of PKK supporters called us traitors. Now they surrender without any terms in our favour ....

[Anthea]

When the KDP went for an autonomy instead of a independent country, a lot of PKK supporters called us traitors. Now they surrender without any terms in our favour ....

True PKK have surrendered and gained absolutely NOTHING

I might have mentioned it before but I do not understand why anyone is taking any notice of Ocalan - he is isolated and has no idea what has been happening in the world - his solicitors have been prevented form seeing him for 2 years - Murat Karayilan wanted to send someone he personally trusted to visit Ocalan but was not allowed to - the only people allowed to visit Ocalan are people who have either not seen him for years or people who have never even met him

In other words Turkey controls Ocalan - what he says - who he sees - he is a puppet

Kurds do not seem to realise the harm they are doing to themselves and Ocalan by allowing him to be used - he has been turned into a traitor and a figure of ridicule