Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

[talsor]

Turkey's Christmas present to Kurds

may they rest in peace .

[thearabchildren]

Fuck Christmas and fuck this filthy government. One day it will cease to be, which is what is best for everyone, no matter how the populist militarist filth convince the majority otherwise.

Just in case anyone wanted more TKP-ML martyr information, this is a site similar the one I was reading: http://www.babaerdogan.org/tkp-ml.html. Also, apparently the source of TKP-ML volunteers apparently varied quite a bit. I got a sampling on another site which was mostly Ankara, Çorum, Yozgat, Fatsa, Ardahan, etc. But here I'm seeing quite a few Kurds too. The point being, here was an unashamedly pro-Kurdish group fighting the Turkish government which Turks were willing to fight for in multiple forms (Hrant Dink and his Armenian friends were also supporters). Those were the days.

Of course, due to the national quality of the war with the PKK (which pushes a greater percentage of the populace in a specific area into the conflict and allows the government to target that populace) and its longer span (because the same national quality allows it to continue after the Cold War), many more martyrs have been given either by the PKK or by people accused of supporting the PKK (which, even when true, is a disgusting reason to kill someone), and everyone here is, I'm sure, familiar with the lists of those martyrs. It looks like more will be added to those lists.

[kurd-sthanam]

i hope welfare and security for the families, I hope and believe kurds will make bigger protest than protesting for öcalan and the other kurds will wake up

[thearabchildren]

:( i hope welfare and security for the families, I hope and believe kurds will make bigger protest than protesting for öcalan and the other kurds will wake up

It's so sad because on TV they were showing the region where it happened, and obvious these people were so poor. I'm sure their families were barely getting by before they lost their fathers/brothers/husbands in this terrible massacre.

But will protests or armed struggle lead to something greater? Or will we just keep watching these same terrible scenes on television, year in and year out? I am tired of waiting for reforms or surrender from the government, and tired of broken promises. Where is the strategy that will end this terrible circus?

[jjmuneer]

:( i hope welfare and security for the families, I hope and believe kurds will make bigger protest than protesting for öcalan and the other kurds will wake up

It's so sad because on TV they were showing the region where it happened, and obvious these people were so poor. I'm sure their families were barely getting by before they lost their fathers/brothers/husbands in this terrible massacre.

But will protests or armed struggle lead to something greater? Or will we just keep watching these same terrible scenes on television, year in and year out? I am tired of waiting for reforms or surrender from the government, and tired of broken promises. Where is the strategy that will end this terrible circus?

As you know I would say I'm a right wing extremist, but in the end war is the inevitable outcome. But the west suprisingly is giving more media coverage about us Kurds, but I doubt its out of the goodness of their hearts. The Kurdish nation and people is strong, and I hope we remain defiant against the Turkish government,

[thearabchildren]

As you know I would say I'm a right wing extremist,

Known and understood.

But the west suprisingly is giving more media coverage about us Kurds, but I doubt its out of the goodness of their hearts.

Known and agreed. I make a point of never trusting the government, but that distrust grows a hundredfold for UN Security Council members (who are also consistently the top arms dealers). If war is, as you say, inevitable, someone is profiting off of it...

I would like to note though that both "Israel" and Turkey , as well as several European states that don't have UN Security Council status (and Iran I think? let me check...), are also quite prominent in the arms trade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono

[jjmuneer]

As you know I would say I'm a right wing extremist,

Known and understood.

But the west suprisingly is giving more media coverage about us Kurds, but I doubt its out of the goodness of their hearts.

Known and agreed. I make a point of never trusting the government, but that distrust grows a hundredfold for UN Security Council members (who are also consistently the top arms dealers). If war is, as you say, inevitable, someone is profiting off of it...

I would like to note though that both "Israel" and Turkey , as well as several European states that don't have UN Security Council status (and Iran I think? let me check...), are also quite prominent in the arms trade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono

True, in most cases its the lovely coporations who sell weapons and are able to finance war. In most cases its not the nations that go to war that benefit, but the people selling the weapons, but its not like I think war for KRG is a good thing,I just don't how another way in which we can regain Northern Kurdistan back.

[thearabchildren]

True, in most cases its the lovely coporations who sell weapons and are able to finance war. In most cases its not the nations that go to war that benefit, but the people selling the weapons, but its not like I think war for KRG is a good thing,I just don't how another way in which we can regain Northern Kurdistan back.

No, I understand you're not asking for war for its own sake. And unfortunately, while people can profit off of war, it doesn't appear possible to buy peace, justice or freedom (at least not for the masses, only for yourself). At any rate...

[thesunchild]

I told you that we Kurds are afraid to die for our homeland. And now we are dying like cowards in poverty!

I told you that Turks don’t understand the other language but violence. What are we waiting for? Turks will never change and nobody will ever help us. Turkish soldiers are surrounded in Amed. The only answer to the barbaric acts of today is to kill all Turkish soldiers in Amed!

The Kurds in Northern Kurdistan are dying at the first place by the hands of Turks. Why not dying in a fight and kill as much Turks as possible before death!

[kurdistanis1]

My God that response from the KRG was just pathetic, that response should be enough to get that guy fired. "concerned", i say f u and your stupid response. Turkey massacres their own brothers, and all they have to say is they are "concerned". I know they can't do anything against them, but atleast have some balls and show you care about your own people.

May they all rest in peace, their murder will not go unpunished.

[talsor]

This is not the first time they have done it and it won't be the last time . Anger and condemnations will get us nothing and this horrible event will be forgotten within a month . I'm pretty sure TAK will response , so turkey can validate their stand on Kurds and the cycle goes on .


The Kurdish question in the north is at total disarray with massive arrests to lawyers , mps ,civilian , children and any Kurd who take a stand . I think it was a Kurdish mp who said ,"if they want to silence the Kurds then they have to arrest all the Kurds " and that is exactly what turkey have been doing with no response what so ever . The embarrassing part in all this is that Kurdish MPs are still sitting in Turkish parliament , doing the Turkish government work

sadly I must say , bringing the war to their door steps is the only way .

[jjmuneer]

This is not the first time they have done it and it won't be the last time . Anger and condemnations will get us nothing and this horrible event will be forgotten within a month . I'm pretty sure TAK will response , so turkey can validate their stand on Kurds and the cycle goes on .


The Kurdish question in the north is at total disarray with massive arrests to lawyers , mps ,civilian , children and any Kurd who take a stand . I think it was a Kurdish mp who said ,"if they want to silence the Kurds then they have to arrest all the Kurds " and that is exactly what turkey have been doing with no response what so ever . The embarrassing part in all this is that Kurdish MPs are still sitting in Turkish parliament , doing the Turkish government work

sadly I must say , bringing the war to their door steps is the only way .

Don't know what to say, everything you say is true.

[talsor]

Erdogan can take his peace initiatives and Kurdish opening and shove it ...

more videos are emerging

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPSdvGlpWGY&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Aljazeera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMU9joXLu7I&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[thearabchildren]

sadly I must say , bringing the war to their door steps is the only way .

But the war is NOT brought to THEIR doorstep. The war is brought to the doorstep of THE KURDS! Does Kerdoğan suffer? Do the generals? Do the arrogant racists of İzmir*? No, it is always the Kurds.

*An old schoolmate of my wife's posted on her facebook that the news wasn't being fair to the Turkish military, it was "downplaying" its "work". Then a smiley face of course. Then she said "By the way, I am a soldier's daughter" ("asker kızı"). Unlike... EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN TURKEY? You arrogant fascist, it's not only İzmir Kemalists who serve in the stupid army! Your "enemies" also serve! Communists, anarchists, pan-Turkists, Islamists, Kurds of every political background, Armenians, they all serve too: EVERYONE'S DAUGHTER IS A SOLDIER'S DAUGHTER. You are ONLY special because the state has favoured you at every turn! You haven't given MORE to the state, you've given LESS. But this is not her first or worst comment about the state's treatment of Kurds. You cannot reason with such people.

[jjmuneer]

sadly I must say , bringing the war to their door steps is the only way .

But the war is NOT brought to THEIR doorstep. The war is brought to the doorstep of THE KURDS! Does Kerdoğan suffer? Do the generals? Do the arrogant racists of İzmir*? No, it is always the Kurds.

*An old schoolmate of my wife's posted on her facebook that the news wasn't being fair to the Turkish military, it was "downplaying" its "work". Then a smiley face of course. Then she said "By the way, I am a soldier's daughter" ("asker kızı"). Unlike... EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN TURKEY? You arrogant fascist, it's not only İzmir Kemalists who serve in the stupid army! Your "enemies" also serve! Communists, anarchists, pan-Turkists, Islamists, Kurds of every political background, Armenians, they all serve too: EVERYONE'S DAUGHTER IS A SOLDIER'S DAUGHTER. You are ONLY special because the state has favoured you at every turn! You haven't given MORE to the state, you've given LESS. But this is not her first or worst comment about the state's treatment of Kurds. You cannot reason with such people.

If the Turks want a war, it will be end of Turkey in my opinion. I think we Kurds in general have had it.