Kurdish group takes credit for Istanbul cafe blast

[Diri]

I only have time to say one thing:

I AM NOT IN ANKARA!!! I am in NORWAY!

And I would move to Kurdistan THIS VERY SECOND if Kurdistan was FREE from Turkish rule...

I AM diaspora - which you are talking about... My family is waiting for the moment Turkey and Iran lose grip of Kurdistan...

[zurderer]

I only have time to say one thing:

I AM NOT IN ANKARA!!! I am in NORWAY!

And I would move to Kurdistan THIS VERY SECOND if Kurdistan was FREE from Turkish rule...

I AM diaspora - which you are talking about... My family is waiting for the moment Turkey and Iran lose grip of Kurdistan...

If you say so, If 8 of 10 kurds is ready for return kurdistan, this is more than enough.

Maybe we should made an anket about this. why dont you ask 10 of your relative?(who live in turkish land, if they would return or not)

By the way, what is you relation with iran?

[tomjez]

Just a few thing about me Kardes!!

I'm not kurd, nor Turk

I lived almost 2 years in Istanbul and I wish I'll go back there....Ankara why not...I really prefer Istanbul!!

And no I would not live in North Kurdistan that's a fact. In south...why not! A nice villa in Duhok's hills... I would be happy with that!

And turkey IS investing in Kurdistan. Problem is it is in South Kurdistan (just travel there and see the istikbal stores, ulker factories, hundreds of turkish trucks!

[zurderer]

south have oil, north have not. Population of north is also much. Also selling and investing is two different thing, trucks and shops means selling,
factory is investing.(I didnt know they built factory there)

so what do you think? will kurds return kurdistan after independence of kurdistan?

[Piling]

yes but North has gold and uranium. And Water, don't forget water, this blue oil...

[tomjez]

Yes because they don't have good conditions in Istanbul or other cities either and there is discrimination. Of course an educated kurd who has a good level of life in Istanbul will maybe not go back! but he is integrated in turkish society anyway, with his own identity (or not).

But for rural kurds forced to leave because the army forced them, I suppose they want to go home...

Actually putting a shop is investing: it's creating jobs, generating taxes for the KRG... it's investment.

Trucks are kind of an investement because taxes coming from the oil traffic are giving a lot of money to kurdistan, which is helping development...(well if it's not going in parties pockets of course)

(I didnt know they built factory there)

To earn money. Consider an Istikbal shop: it's easier to produce in Kurdistan to sell in Kurdistan: they would have to pay taxes to export, pay drivers, oil, blablabla...If they are kurdish people ready to buy Istikbal furnitures, Istikbal is investing, that's logical. Companies are not nationalist, they don't care to whom they're selling

[zurderer]

yes but North has gold and uranium. And Water, don't forget water, this blue oil...

gold and uranium?

so why are not turkey using these gold and uranium? what type of colonization is this? we dont use most important resource of these lands.

I have no idea about golds, but I know that uranium is poor quality, It is not a marketable source.

and this blue oil need 12 billion dolar, also syria and iraq have some talkings about this blue oil. It is not also a marketable product without sea.

[zurderer]

(Yes because they don't have good conditions in Istanbul or other cities either and there is discrimination. Of course an educated kurd who has a good level of life in Istanbul will maybe not go back! but he is integrated in turkish society anyway, with his own identity (or not).


But for rural kurds forced to leave because the army forced them, I suppose they want to go home...

why do you suppose this? would their live at kurdistan become better?

[tomjez]

Not under PKK rule, of course

But from what I saw in South Kurdistan, life is better for kurds when their country is free, they rule themselves and they live in piece. amazing isn't it?

So yeah, if there is an investment (US and UE would invest) Kurdistan will develop itself, if it is ruled by democratic efficient leaders, it will work.

UE is giving a lot of money to Turkey to help development, but Ankara does not invest in Kurdistan that's all, even if it is slowly changing...

Why do I suppose that people forced to leave their home and to go pile up in suburbs of Istanbul want to go home?

Yeah I don't know you're right, that sounds silly, life is so good when you are unemployed and kurd in Istanbul

[zurderer]

Not under PKK rule, of course

But from what I saw in South Kurdistan, life is better for kurds when their country is free, they rule themselves and they live in piece. amazing isn't it?

So yeah, if there is an investment (US and UE would invest) Kurdistan will develop itself, if it is ruled by democratic efficient leaders, it will work.

UE is giving a lot of money to Turkey to help development, but Ankara does not invest in Kurdistan that's all, even if it is slowly changing...

Why do I suppose that people forced to leave their home and to go pile up in suburbs of Istanbul want to go home?

Yeah I don't know you're right, that sounds silly, life is so good when you are unemployed and kurd in Istanbul

south have oil north have nothing. armutla elmaları karıştırma.

Also ankara is wasting a lot money for there, infact ankara didnot even gain 1 ytl from kurdish cities(colonization yeah It is). Infact It encourage investment, but thanks to pkk, no doctor, no teacher, no bussinesman, noone want to go that lands, not even kurds.(dont you think, kurds also have doctors, teachers, and bussiness man)

you are talking like, this people cannot return kurdistan, they can return. also not all of them went to big cities because of forced exiles, Infact majority of them went to this cities because of poorness.


Anyway, a mass exile and closing borders to refugee will solve problem.
kurds can have their own country, turks can have their own and no bombs at cafe. everybody happy, no killed child.

[Piling]

so why are not turkey using these gold and uranium?

they try to do it in Dersim, for example. But they are afraid of guerilla.

[zurderer]

so why are not turkey using these gold and uranium?

they try to do it in Dersim, for example. But they are afraid of guerilla.

you are giving to much credit to that terrorists, If It is so precious, turkey can built, and protect it. Specialy last 4 year.

[Piling]

Well I was in Ovacik in 2001 and I saw Soldiers, frightening to go in mountains.

[tomjez]

A lot of villagers can't return to their villages because it's forbidden...the government lauches programs to encourage return to the villages, local prefects and military commanders say no. Burasi Türkiye...

I didn't say they were 'forced to exile": they were forced to leave their villages under OHAL (you won't deny it) and to go in city centers. But since the conditions were horrible, they went to Istanbul or Ankara were there is always a little hope to make some money, and no tanks in the streets, no curfew...

armutla elmaları karıştırma.

Sonunda, bir turk atasözü anladim! Bazen hiç bir mantik yok ama bu defah franzica gibi'dir...

[Diri]

I only have time to say one thing:

I AM NOT IN ANKARA!!! I am in NORWAY!

And I would move to Kurdistan THIS VERY SECOND if Kurdistan was FREE from Turkish rule...

I AM diaspora - which you are talking about... My family is waiting for the moment Turkey and Iran lose grip of Kurdistan...

If you say so, If 8 of 10 kurds is ready for return kurdistan, this is more than enough.

Maybe we should made an anket about this. why dont you ask 10 of your relative?(who live in turkish land, if they would return or not)

By the way, what is you relation with iran?

If Kurdistan was free, my whole family would return to Kurdistan... Meaning ALL of them: Uncles and aunts on both sides of my family - and their children...

They live in Istanbul, Ankara and Tehran... And I know other families - who live in Ankara, Istanbul and on Cyprus - They would ALL return to Kurdistan... You wanna know why? Because we own land there... It is where we BELONG as we say in Kurdish: Kurdistan warê me ye!

Of course my whole sulale would return to our lands - we own it - legally... So why wouldn't we return to it? Naturally we would... But because of the sitution - being under "state of emergency", bad social, econimical, health and infrastructure - people don't wanna go back... Especially when Jandarma stops every car HUNDRED times on the road from Colemêrg to Amed...

When we were driving there - we were stopped:

"Dur! Dur! Yavas..."

And then:

" Ahhhh. Tarkan caliyorlar"! - "Gide bilirsiniz"...