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PostAuthor: Hellmet » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:43 pm

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Firstly I would like to express about my happenise to be a member in this decent forum, I hope also to receive your decent responds and replys for exchanging the good information about our Great Land Of Kurdistan.

Indeed since a while trying to collect the exact information about all the states of kurdistan and still trying my best to get that exact numbers by depending on the history facts and refernces ( Websites ) for knowing about those states.

Note : I wrote the name in Kurdish, so please if there are any mistake in the spell, name, numbers of those states try to send your reply or you respond. At the end of all that I want to reach to the total number of the Kurdish States.

Only The Main Cities : ... If my list include any small towns or village names please try to send your note about it.

Northern Kurdistan :

01. Amed
02. Erzîncan
03. Qers
04. Erzurûm
05. Dersîm
06. Meletî
07. Semsûr
08. Xarpût
09. Çewlik
10. Mûş
11. Agrî
12. Sêrt
13. Bidlîs
14. Wan
15. Riha
16. Mêrdîn
17. Hekkarî
18. Erdehan
19. Elîh
20. Şirnex
21. Idîr
22. Dîlok
23. Mereş
24. Tetwan
25. Nisêbîn
26. Elbîstan
27. Cizîre
28. Gewer
29. Varto
30. Bayezîd
31. Silwan
32. Kose
33. Koçgirî



Southern Kurdistan :

01. Kerkûk
02. Sulêmani
03. Hewlêr
04. Duhok
05. Xaneqîn
06. Sincar
07. Helebçe
08. Amêdiya
09. Kifrî
10. Mendelî
11. Rewandiz
12. Zaxo
13. Qela Dizê
14. Raniye
15. Koye
16. Dûkan
17. Mêrgesor
18. Akrê
19. Mexmûr
20. Amêdye



Eastern Kurdistan :

01. Makû
02. Şapûr
03. Ûrmiye
04. Şino
05. Bokan
06. Mehabad
07. Seqiz
08. Bicar
09. Serdeşt
10. Pawe
11.Neqede
12. Bane
13. Mêrîwan
14. Sine
15. Qesrî Şîrîn
16. Kirmaşan
17. Êlam
18. Hemedan
19. Qorve
20. Mêhran
21. Kengawer
22. Dehloran
23. Kûhdeşt

Western:

1. Heseke
2. Qamişlo
3. Efrîn
4. Amûde
5. Dêrik
6. Serê Kaniyê
7. Kûbanî


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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:02 pm

For Southern Kurdistan :

There are also Khanaqin and Sinjar.

For Western Kurdistan :

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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:42 pm

There, kak Helmet...


I have added the towns which you lacked - and also transcribed all names into Latînî Kurdî...

I also removed some cases where you had written both the Kurdish and the Turkish name (such as "Çewlik" & "Bingol" which are two names for the same town)...


Now your list is complete... :wink:
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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Hellmet » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:51 pm

Thanks Borther " Diri " for your correction

Will try to check it all and need to do more discussion about other detail.

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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:42 pm

Hellmet wrote:Thanks Borther " Diri " for your correction

Will try to check it all and need to do more discussion about other detail.

My Respect


My name is Sohrab, kak Helmet...

You are welcome - and I'm happy to have helped out. But let me add that I don't agree with the list. Since it includes cities which today wouldn't define themselves as "Kurdish" by majority...

I believe 1/2 of the cities listed under "Nother Kurdistan" would define themselves as "Kurdish", while 3/4 of the cities in the "East Kurdistan" list would characterize themselves as Kurdish... Same with the "South Kurdistan" list and the "West Kurdistan" list...

But North Kurdistan is the most assimilated part of Kurdistan - and we should not underestimate Turkish assimilation policies... Once, Dîlok (Gaziantep), Mereş (Kahramanmaraş), Elbîstan (Elbistan), Iskenderûn and most of the cities in their vicinity were Kurdish - but today they are of majority Turkmen and Arab population with Kurdish minorities...
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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Hellmet » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:11 pm

Well Kak Sohrab really I agree you for what you said ...

Indeed I'm from Southern Kurdistan and want to know more about the Northern, Eastern and Western.

I'm so thankful for your serious efforts for completing my exact goal.

My remarks about that is I should know the main States from the Small Towns.

As I'm from Southern Kurdistan, I know that each of :

01. Kerkûk
02. Slêmani
03. Dihok
04. Hewlêr ... are representing the main States or Provinces, the others ar small towns like Xaneqîn, Sincar, ... etc.

So I don't know about the other parts " Main States and Provinces.

Then we can reach to the exact number of the States.
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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:16 pm

Hellmet wrote:Well Kak Sohrab really I agree you for what you said ...

Indeed I'm from Southern Kurdistan and want to know more about the Northern, Eastern and Western.

I'm so thankful for your serious efforts for completing my exact goal.

My remarks about that is I should know the main States from the Small Towns.

As I'm from Southern Kurdistan, I know that each of :

01. Kerkûk
02. Sulêmani
03. Duhok
04. Hewlêr ... are representing the main States or Provinces, the others ar small towns like Xaneqîn, Sincar, ... etc.

So I don't know about the other parts " Main States and Provinces.

Then we can reach to the exact number of the States.


"State" is a political entity which has either federal or autonomous status. "Province" is a part of a state. You should pay more attention to how you use those words, kak Helmet. There is a big difference between "State" and "Province"...

If you want to know the provinces of Kurdistan, then study this map, kak Helmet:

http://www.iranistik.uni-goettingen.de/ ... if_gif.jpg

We should not respect the "provinces" which our enemies created. For example, Zaxo is part of Botan, not Badînan... But today it's part of "Duhok Governorate"... And Colemêrg, the province I am from, has been divided between Iran and Turkey, for example...

We can't respect or accept these divisions of our land. We must keep to our own province-names and the borders for these...

Hewlêr is Soran
Sulêmanî is Baban
Kerkûk is Germiyan
Duhok is Badînan
Sincar is Şingar

We have these beautiful Kurdish names for our provinces, which we should uphold and respect... I don't like the name "Hakkari" for my province for example - because it's what the modern Turkish state calls it, not what Kurds call it... Kurds call it "Colemêrg"... And the Ottomans too called it that... It's just this modern Turkish state which tries to whipe out Kurdish history and presence... Same with Iran, which named the North-Eastern part of Kurdistan for "West Azerbaijan"... We can't respect these borders or names...

We must demand our rights as owners and inhabitants of these lands to NAME them what we want...
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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: zurderer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:31 pm

02. Erzîncan 21. Idîr

Turkish-Kurdish

04. Erzurûm
06. Meletî
18. Erdehan

Turkish include a kurdish minority.

07. Semsûr 19. Elîh 22. Dîlok
?

12. Sêrt 16. Mêrdîn 25. Nisêbîn
Kurdish-Arab

23. Mereş

Turkish-Kurdish-Arab(Kurds may become minority.)


I am not even talking about zazas. For exp, If I know right, Both bitlis and elazıg is zaza majority. Tunceli, include all turkish, kurdish and zaza alevis.

Even your map does not include some of these cities :)

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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:55 pm

zurderer wrote:02. Erzîncan 21. Idîr

Turkish-Kurdish

04. Erzurûm
06. Meletî
18. Erdehan

Turkish include a kurdish minority.

07. Semsûr 19. Elîh 22. Dîlok
?

12. Sêrt 16. Mêrdîn 25. Nisêbîn
Kurdish-Arab

23. Mereş

Turkish-Kurdish-Arab(Kurds may become minority.)


I am not even talking about zazas. For exp, If I know right, Both bitlis and elazıg is zaza majority. Tunceli, include all turkish, kurdish and zaza alevis.

Even your map does not include some of these cities :)



As I argued: I do not agree with those lists, because they do not represent reality or nuance the different layers and movements/entities...

The map does include those cities, except those are not named... And the whole point of posting that map was to show the names of Kurdish provinces - not to use as a list for city names... :wink:

Semsûr (Adiyaman) and Elîh (Batman) are Kurdish - but Dîlok is Kurdish-Arab-Turkish now... Very mixed - but still it's historic Kurdish heritage can't be denied...

This "Zazaistan" movement which you find on the net is limited to the net... It's not how Zaza Kurds think in Kurdistan... Only a few think that way. Most consider themselves "Kurds" - from Dersîm to Bidlîs... And no that is why it's pointless to discuss whether some areas are "Zaza" or "Kurdish"... Since most Zazas consider themselves Kurdish. Especially in Bidlîs, Amed, Sîwerek, Mûş etc... Dersîm (Tunceli) and Çewlik (Bingöl) are probably where you will find 90% of all Zazaistanists - whom are only (at most) 10% of all Zazas...

Currently, North Kurdistan is about 50-100 km (in some areas) from the western banks of Euphrates up north all the way to Dersîm and then including all of Murat river and some 50-100 km north of it (in some areas)...

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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: kardox » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:37 am

Where is Zaxo in southern-Kurdistan? There are about 200.000 Kurdish citizens living there.

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Hellmet wrote:Hi

Dear RBK members ...


Firstly I would like to express about my happenise to be a member in this decent forum, I hope also to receive your decent responds and replys for exchanging the good information about our Great Land Of Kurdistan.

Indeed since a while trying to collect the exact information about all the states of kurdistan and still trying my best to get that exact numbers by depending on the history facts and refernces ( Websites ) for knowing about those states.

Note : I wrote the name in Kurdish, so please if there are any mistake in the spell, name, numbers of those states try to send your reply or you respond. At the end of all that I want to reach to the total number of the Kurdish States.

Only The Main Cities : ... If my list include any small towns or village names please try to send your note about it.

Northern Kurdistan :

01. Amed
02. Erzîncan
03. Qers
04. Erzurûm
05. Dersîm
06. Meletî
07. Semsûr
08. Xarpût
09. Çewlik
10. Mûş
11. Agrî
12. Sêrt
13. Bidlîs
14. Wan
15. Riha
16. Mêrdîn
17. Hekkarî
18. Erdehan
19. Elîh
20. Şirnex
21. Idîr
22. Dîlok
23. Mereş
24. Tetwan
25. Nisêbîn
26. Elbîstan
27. Cizîre
28. Gewer
29. Varto
30. Bayezîd
31. Silwan
32. Kose
33. Koçgirî



Southern Kurdistan :

01. Kerkûk
02. Sulêmani
03. Hewlêr
04. Duhok
05. Xaneqîn
06. Sincar
07. Helebçe
08. Amêdiya
09. Kifrî
10. Mendelî
11. Rewandiz


Eastern Kurdistan :

01. Makû
02. Şapûr
03. Ûrmiye
04. Şino
05. Bokan
06. Mehabad
07. Seqiz
08. Bicar
09. Serdeşt
10. Pawe
11.Neqede
12. Bane
13. Mêrîwan
14. Sine
15. Qesrî Şîrîn
16. Kirmaşan
17. Êlam
18. Hemedan
19. Qorve
20. Mêhran
21. Kengawer
22. Dehloran
23. Kûhdeşt

Western:

1. Heseke
2. Qamişlo
3. Efrîn
4. Amûde
5. Dêrik
6. Serê Kaniyê
7. Kûbanî


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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:42 pm

Ser seran hatî birayê delal... :)


Yes, you are right... I've now added about 8 more towns in Southern Kurdistan...

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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: matin123 » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:49 am

For East Kurdistan, there is also Dîwandere and Kamyaran.
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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:17 pm

matin123 wrote:For East Kurdistan, there is also Dîwandere and Kamyaran.



But how large are these towns?

We could include a lot more places - but then we'd start adding lesser towns and villages... While the point is to include places which have at least over 25 000 inhabitants...

Of course - that isn't given... But if we use that as a guideline - does Dîwandere or Kamyaran compete with that? I've not thought of them as large towns...
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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: matin123 » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:39 am

I just looked up Dîwandere and Kamyaran on Wikipedia... For Kamyaran, it has a population of 46,760. For Dîwandere, it has a population of 22,842.

So maybe Kamyaran would be qualified. Dîwandere is also close to 25,000 though.

Did you ever notice that Persians don't consider Kirmaşan Kurdish? I always have arguements about this lol

And could you give me a little more information about Hemedan... Would Hemedan be considered Persian or Kurdish?

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Re: Kurdish States In ... Northern - Southern - Western - Easter

PostAuthor: Diri » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:24 am

matin123 wrote:I just looked up Dîwandere and Kamyaran on Wikipedia... For Kamyaran, it has a population of 46,760. For Dîwandere, it has a population of 22,842.

So maybe Kamyaran would be qualified. Dîwandere is also close to 25,000 though.

Did you ever notice that Persians don't consider Kirmaşan Kurdish? I always have arguements about this lol

And could you give me a little more information about Hemedan... Would Hemedan be considered Persian or Kurdish?

zor spas



Okey... :) Thanks for the research!

I've added Kamyaran...

Yes, I know that many Persians refuse to accept Kirmaşan is Kurdish... And I've had loads of arguements over that too! It's really annoying. The reason they don't accept it is mostly because there are MANY historical sites there and archeological sites - which include artifacts from the Median and Sasanian eras... And as you know, Persians claim Sasanians - but historical records show that the Sasanians were from the Baban/Kirmaşan/Êlam and Sine parts of Kurdistan... Kurds claim them too... But since many Persians don't recognize Kurds in Iran as a separate nation - they often don't give it much thought... Usually everything in Iran is just "Iranian" and most Persians consider "Iranian" and "Persian" as synonyms... Ridiculous, of course... But that's what I've seen from discussions with Persian nationalists...

Hemedan was the capital of the Median Empire - it went by the name Ekbetan back then... Even till 80 years ago, Hemedan was predominantly Kurdish. The matter is that the majority of the villages around Hemedan city were (and some still are) Kurdish... Many have assimilated of course - that happened as a result of the urbanization Reza Shah started...

I have relatives in Hemedan - and it's become a very mixed place (the city itself) - but historically it is a Kurdish city... Kurds have assimilated into the "Persian majority" for centuries now... Just look at "Shahr-e-Kord" - what's that doing all the way south in Iran? It's a remnant of the far-stretched Kurdish cultural influence... It's evidence of Kurdish dominance and spread across western and south-western Iran...

Today, Hemedan is mostly Kurdish and Azeri - but more and more Azeris are identifying with the word "Persian" or just "Iranian" - which then in turn is used as a synonym of "Persian"... In addition many Kurds assimilated especially the last 5-8 decades...
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