Turkey's Initiative Brings HAMAS Crack in Washington to Ligh

[Vladimir]

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international& ... &syf=butun

Even M. Rubin isn't happy about Turkey's new initiative.

Jacobs likens the meeting with the terrorist organization to if PKK’s leader Abdullah Ocalan was welcomed by the White House. "HAMAS is worse than the PKK. Because the PKK wanted part of Turkey, but never said we need to destroy Turkish state.” he said. To Jacobs, this is a "poke in the eye" of the American Jewish community and "Actions have consequences".

A source from the US Congress comments that," Armenians were given a present two months before April 24. " Bryen notes that the issue of Armenian genocide is extremely important for Turkey, just as HAMAS is extremely important for Jews, and Turkey has made a hash of this issue. “Much of the willingness of the American Jewish community to help on this issue was because we thought of Turkey, and still think of Turkey, as a country who was basically on our side of the civilizational divide,” she adds.

Rubin describes that not only US Congress, but also relations between Turkish and US administrations have been "negatively" affected. Rubin claims that Turkish officials "lied outright" to Washington, adding, “I cannot imagine that the White House will ever again trust Prime Minister Erdogan or Foreign Minister Gul.”

Officials in the administration avoided saying that Turkish-US relations are "hurt"; however, they are concerned about a possible failure in Israeli-Turkish relations. "Israel would not be so foolish as to risk that relationship. Israeli meddling on the Kurd issue is far more a liability to the relationship with Ankara than a mere visit by Mashaal," Swisher thinks.

Bryen: Turkey has done an awful thing. There are many other ways to deliver messages to a terrorist organization.

Jacobs: HAMAS is worse than the PKK. It is as if Ocalan was welcomed at the White House. There will be consequences to this.

Beyoghlow: One can even meet with the devil in the hopes of changing him. The US should attempt a similar opening.

Fuller: This is a brave and pioneering move at a time when the international community is paralyzed.

Wilcox: Dialogue with HAMAS is a good method to reach out and moderate pragmatic elements within the organization.

Swisher: Israel's involvement in the Kurdish issue is a bigger problem than HAMAS' visit.

Rubin: Those who work as mediators must work responsibly; they should not act unilaterally nor perform to the press.

[The Turk]

Hamas is elected in demoratic elections. The election was monitored by the U.N.
In my opinion, Israel and U.S also wanted Hamas to be elected, in order to heat the things up in the area. So that Israel can take more agressive actions towards Palestine & Iran.

Hamas' visit to Turkey carries many messages.

- Americans don't give the requested support to Turkey in its combat against PKK in the Northern Iraq. They are eager to use PKK as a tool in US-Turkey relations.
- Israel is indirectly included in every plot against Turkey. They fed and trained the Kurds in the Northern Iraq. Their every action is for de-stabilizing the peripheral countries around Turkey.
- The Turkish Foreign Ministery does not want Iran to be the only one which has a decisive initiative on Hamas.

Now, it is very obvious that Israel-Britain are trying hard to de-stabilize Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon and Syria. I dont how much the US is included in this plot.

I feel that, global powers are coming to an end of their political and military tools in the Middle East.

[Diri]

Hamas is elected in demoratic elections. The election was monitored by the U.N.
In my opinion, Israel and U.S also wanted Hamas to be elected, in order to heat the things up in the area. So that Israel can take more agressive actions towards Palestine & Iran.

Hamas' visit to Turkey carries many messages.

- Americans don't give the requested support to Turkey in its combat against PKK in the Northern Iraq. They are eager to use PKK as a tool in US-Turkey relations.
- Israel is indirectly included in every plot against Turkey. They fed and trained the Kurds in the Northern Iraq. Their every action is for de-stabilizing the peripheral countries around Turkey.
- The Turkish Foreign Ministery does not want Iran to be the only one which has a decisive initiative on Hamas.

Now, it is very obvious that Israel-Britain are trying hard to de-stabilize Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon and Syria. I dont how much the US is included in this plot.

I feel that, global powers are coming to an end of their political and military tools in the Middle East.

I support Israel 100%...

But tell me why the PKK is a terrorist org. if Hamas isn't a terrorist org... If we held an election in Kurdistan don't you think a party which says "Independent Kurdistan, and we don't recognize Turkey as a state" would get a LOT of votes?

But Turkey isn't a democracy... So there are no elections in Kurdistan... There are people who boy votes and then who get seats in the fake parliament... Because in the end - it is a useless parliament - the Generals have controll over Turkey... Not the parliament...

[tomjez]

Yes Hamas is comparable with PKK. Well at least PKK is not AS terrorist as Hamas, they don't blew themselves every 3 days in Istanbul buses...but a PKK integrated to political game would have to be more pragmatic and moderate, so that would be good...Actually they would realize that killing all people who don't vote for them is really tedious and needs a lot of bullets...

but kurdish parties linked to PKK are not even a majority in Kurdistan....nobobdy really prevents them to be elected (I mean to cross that stupid 10 % treshold): if DEHAP (sorry DTP) can have 60 % in Diyarbakir, why can't they have it in the rest of Kurdistan....

And update your turkish politics Diri, General are losing power...Turkey of 2006 is not Turkey of 1999, and it can get better or really worse in the next years...

Yeah I know, I'm micheal rubin's son, I'm turk, I'm sold to the evil, blahblah

[Rubar]

Yes Hamas is comparable with PKK. Well at least PKK is not AS terrorist as Hamas,

I don't think PKK can be compared to Hamas. May be to Pol Pot but not hamas. Don't forget PKK never really terrorised Turkey. The classical Baby killing argument put forward by the Turks is tantamount to ISrael claiming that Hamas has been kiling Palestinian babies in Palestine. When you really think about it, it is one of those absurd arguments put forward by Turkish state that only a person that has been through a process of Indoctrination can genuinely believe. After all one should not forget that when Apo was captured, IStanbul police were ordered not to enter their vehicles if they left it unattended for more than 5 minutes. Thats how bad it was, so if PKK did have the same mentality as Hamas, Turkey would have been in a very different position at the moment. HOwever, Apo did terrorise anyone that did not agree with him. But that puts him in a different group.


I never forget the book that Yalcin Kucuk wrote (Kurtler uzerine Tezler). He visited PKK camps in Lebanon. In his book he stated that all nationalist need an enemy. For example he said, Turkish nationalism relies on anti-Armenian and Anti-Greek sentiments. However, he stated, Kurds were trying to create a nationalism that did not see another people as an enemy. He expressed how proud he was of the fact that Turks within PKK were not victimised by racism etc. etc. Now this scoundrel spends his time searching for hidden 'crypto' jews in Turkey. I even saw the TV programme that he was in (Ceviz Kabugu) where he explained his 'scientific method' in determining who was a crypto Jew. Accordingly, he will accuse someone of being a jew. If the person took offence, he will realise that he is not a crypto jew. He claimed this was not anti-semitic. However, only moron's that have been through the turkish indoctrination system would view it that way. It's racism is so crude that it does not need to be pointed out.

What ever PKK's faults were, it never advocated hatred towards any people. Leaving aside the current position taken by PKK and Apo, I think it is important to give credit where it is due. As they say in Turkish, 'Yigidi oldur, fakat hakkini yeme'

I think that it is very important for Kurds not to get tangled in the politics of hatred. In that respects I am very proud of the fact that we have not gone that path. Some say that is our weakness. However, I do not see it that way. I think that our culture is strong enough for us to unite without advocating hatred of other peoples. After all we are the only culture in the world that has been banned and outlawed, yet we are still accused of 'cultural imperialism'.

but kurdish parties linked to PKK are not even a majority in Kurdistan.

They do get the majority in Kurdistan, They just don't get enough Kurdish votes in Turkey to cross the 10% threshold.

[tomjez]

I totally agree! PKK indeed advocated hatred against turks, so my comparison with Hamas was indeed wrong. PKK never really terrorised turkish population, and most of the war was in Kurdistan...
But one of the reason I like Kurds is that in spite of all they suffered, they never acted like Palestinians. Much more civilized people.

However I'm not sure that DTP (DEHAP) is majority in Kurdistan, they lost a lot of cities to AKP...


This Yalcin Küçük looks great