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Turkey calls the Assyrian Genocide WWI ficticious!!!

PostAuthor: AFO » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:29 pm

The turks are squirming to enter the EU with lies...Here's the latest

Hot autumn descends fast on Turkey-EU relations
Sunday, September 10, 2006
Growing public estrangement in both Turkey and Europe towards a Turkish-EU integration explains why it is difficult for decision-makers to take a step forward as well as how destructive the outcome could be if the deadlock is not overcome

FATMA DEMİRELLİ

ANKARA - Turkish Daily News


Turkish and European Union officials were long bracing for a confrontation in fall over the sticky Cyprus row and reform requirements. But no matter how much anticipated it was, the “hot autumn” arrived even more forcefully than expected.

The fight started in the very first week of autumn, when the European Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee approved a controversial -- to say the least -- report on Turkey's progress towards eventual EU entry. European parliamentarians, after silence throughout the summer, lashed out at Turkey for a slowdown in the reform pace, an absence of progress on human rights and, of course, refusal to normalize its relations with EU member Greek Cyprus.

Though the tone of criticism was a little strong, Ankara would have not bothered much if this had been all. But the Foreign Ministry went so far as to call the criticism of Dutch rapporteur Camiel Eurlings' report “fictitious,” making a strong appeal for a “correction.”

What irked Ankara was its call for the recognition of the alleged genocide of Armenians and, what is more, the unexpected reference to nebulous claims of genocide of Pontus Greeks and Assyrians in Anatolia at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. “It is our chief expectation that in the coming period, certain elements in this report, which expresses such unfounded, fictitious demands that we can never be expected to fulfill, will be changed,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Namık Tan said in comments on the report.
The angry response is a sign of Turkish frustration with attempts to introduce even further conditions for the advancement of its bid to join the EU, such as the recognition of the alleged Armenian genocide, while the ties are already braced for a key challenge over Cyprus and reforms.

The commission, the EU's executive arm, quickly intervened to say that the authority to set conditions for Turkey's EU bid lies with itself, not others. But then it turned to Ankara and urged it to fulfill its obligations towards the 25-nation bloc to avert a looming crisis.

In a meeting with Ali Babacan, the state minister for economy and Turkey's chief negotiator for EU talks, Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn urged Ankara to press ahead with political reforms and open its ports to ships from Greek Cyprus under a customs union protocol it signed last year before the commission releases its critical progress report on Oct. 24.

The EU has warned repeatedly, and increasingly more frequently, over the past days, that non-compliance in these two fields could hamper the accession talks. This, in turn, could spark a political crisis at a time when surveys reveal a growing disenchantment in public opinion on both sides.



Crisis?

But room for maneuvering for the Turkish leadership appears to be limited in both areas. Parliament is to return early from a summer recess in mid-September to pass a reform package drafted by the government, but the EU demands are unlikely to be satisfied.

At the heart of the EU dissatisfaction lies the limited progress in the area of freedom of expression. Brussels is rattled by the large number of activists, journalists, writers and others prosecuted under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code (TCK) for expressing non-violent views, which prosecutors call “insulting Turkishness.”

The government has so far insisted that the implementation of the article should matter, not the number of charges brought against people for expressing views by prosecutors, and requested time to see how the trials under the article, which entered into force only one-and-a-half years ago, result in before considering whether it should be amended.

But implementation has not been so bright so far. Nearly 100 people have been tried under Article 301, and 15 of them have been sentenced in the past year, according to daily Radikal.

Thus, the EU, unlikely to be convinced by Turkish assurances that time may be a remedy, is stepping up demands for a speedy revision of Article 301. Failure to do so is expected to bring tough criticism in the commission's progress report on Oct. 24.

But the government has been pushed into a corner amid escalating violence at the hands of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), and any move to expand freedoms could undermine its popularity ahead of next year's parliamentary elections.

The prospects are not bright as long as a remedy for the Cyprus row is concerned, although officials on both sides say the study of alternative solutions are under consideration.

Frustrated with EU passivity to bring to life its promise of allowing direct trade with the Turkish Cypriots to ease their international isolation, the government has made it crystal clear that Turkey would not open its ports and airports to traffic from Greek Cyprus unless steps are taken to reach out to the Turkish Cypriots.

Turkish feelings are deep and sensitive on the Cyprus issue, with many Turks seeing it as a matter of “betrayal.” The EU has failed to appreciate a major policy change on the part of Turkey, as a result of which Ankara encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to support a U.N. plan to reunite the island in 2004, and, since then it has bowed to almost all the Greek Cypriot demands to force Turkey to make concessions on the Cyprus issue so that its EU bid could advance.

Opening the ports and airports to the Greek Cypriots without any visible EU step to ease the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots is most likely to be seen in the public as a foreign policy defeat and a failure on the part of the government.

Disappointment over Cyprus is a major reason behind a growing public estrangement towards the EU in Turkey.

A Transatlantic Trends poll conducted by the German Marshall Fund of the United States, released this week, revealed that Turks were becoming increasingly cooler towards the EU and the United States while warming to Iran.

While a majority of Turks continues to see EU membership as a good thing, the percentage of Turks who see Turkey's membership as a good thing has fallen each year from 73 percent in 2004 to 54 percent in 2006, while the percentage of Turks who see Turkey's membership as a bad thing has increased from 9 percent to 22 percent over the same period.

The same negative trend is visible in the EU as well. The survey revealed that those who see Turkey's membership as a good thing have fallen each year from 30 percent in 2004 to 21 percent in 2006, and those who see Turkey's membership as a bad thing have grown from 20 percent in 2004 to 32 percent in 2006.



Way out:

The poll findings explain both why it is difficult for decision-makers to take a step forward and how destructive the outcome could be if the deadlock is not overcome.

EU leaders have vowed to review Turkey's progress on the ports issue in late 2006 with a view to suspending talks in the event of non-compliance, but with both the Turkish and the European public increasingly losing appetite for Turkish-EU integration, many observers agree that it would be highly difficult to put the relations back on track after such a “train crash.”

In other words, leaders in Turkey and Europe may find it hard to resist public opposition and resume the Turkey-EU accession talks after they are suspended over Cyprus.

Officials are working on alternative solutions that could avert or delay the crisis, with possible formulas ranging from referring the matter to the European Court of Justice to granting partial access to Turkish ports and airports for Greek Cypriot ships and planes.

In Brussels, Babacan made it clear that Ankara's “red line” was that it would not open its ports and airports unilaterally to traffic from Greek Cyprus but added that Turkey was ready to consider alternative options. “If there are any alternative ways to find an interim solution, a partial solution or a postponement of the serious problem so that we can handle the situation step by step, we are still ready to discuss any possible solution,” Babacan said in an interview with Reuters.

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Turkey calls the Assyrian Genocide WWI ficticious!!!

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PostAuthor: King Ashurbanipal » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:30 pm

Mass Grave of Assyrian Genocide Victims Discovered In Turkey
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Zirabebaba, Turkey -- Missionaries of the At Anycost Jesus Mission are reporting the discovery of a mass grave near the village of Zirabebaba, Turkey. The report says that in late October, 2006, local villagers digging a new grave came across a cave containing the remains of approximately 40 people. It is assumed the remains are of Assyrian Christians and others who were massacred in the Assyrian Genocide of 1915. According to local history over 300 had been killed at the site. With the long history of denying the Assyrian Genocide, local police and military units told villagers to keep the discovery quiet.

As the news has leaked out, local police visited villagers and demanded they tell who gave the news. Villagers were also warned to prevent anyone from visiting the site.

According to the report, "experts" have indicated that the bones are part of a group of at least 120 Assyrian Christians from the village of Oguz who were massacred on June 14, 1915.

Having suffered the loss of nearly two thirds of their population during the Assyrian Genocide which peaked in 1915, the community continues to suffer most recently in Iraq where over 100,000 are refugees in neighboring Jordan and Syria.

Fearing another "Assyrian Genocide" this time at the hands of the same radical Muslim movements, the Assyrian Christians along with other non-Muslim minorities are streaming out of Iraq, not afraid of the danger but of their growing influence in the country.

The recent beheading of 14 year old Ayat Taariq in Iraq was the latest in a long string killings that have brought back the past to this long suffering community.

Amidst all the bad news, one piece of Good News has come to the Community. The Iraqi Government, alarmed at the dramatic "brain drain" asked the Assyrian community to formally request a province.

On September 19, the Assyrian Nation formally requested an Assyrian Province in the Northeast of Iraq. Members of the community are expected to return to Iraq if the Province is formally approved and a government formed.

The recent discovery of remains from the Assyrian Genocide has sent a note of caution to the community.

"I remember my Grandfather waking up in the middle of the night screaming," said one Assyrian Christian who wished to remain anonymous. "It was 60 years later, but the terror was still real."

The recent discovery in Turkey was a stark reminder to the community of the difficult road ahead -- 90 years later the neighboring Turkish government still refuses to admit the Assyrian Genocide even took place.

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:20 pm

assyrians you land is todays iraq and part of syria...you guys fokus on that countries not turkey-kurdistan

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:42 pm

But these people were killed in Anatolila, not in Iraq.
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PostAuthor: King Diyako » Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:33 am

Well Turks have done everything, all kind ethnic cleaning they could to build such arbitrary Mongolian style so called turkey. Small figure such as Armenian has come to notice to world because either serve interest of west as well l as Christian lobby organization and state of Armenia itself( for example rich and power Armenian lobby in France enable France government to take action and ratify Armenian genocide), but no one ever talk about the biggest genocide of century, The Turkish genocide against Kurds., throughout history of Turkish invasion to Kurdistan and west of Anatolia, the biggest fright ever Turks faced was in fact Kurds, since foundation of republic which based of kurdistani denial, over millions Kurds has been slaughtered and buried alive., the stateless Kurds due current political double standard, no one ever even the historian have used their dignity to talk about it(today EU only crtiria to let turks in is just concern about couple Cypriot ship in Turkish ports, but ignoring denying of over 25 million Kurds as been human to live freely. This is something that show all principle and foundation of EU is totally mislead and bankrupt and immaroles, or perhaps maybe they are real partners of Turks crimes against Kurds,)

But that fact is something Turks couldn’t achieved is that to due to high population of Kurds, they couldn’t finished them off, but they killed as much they could, recently I saw couple articles in English KurdishMedia.com about Turkish genocide against Kurdish nation while you can also find plenty other site, there is many in there you can see, please follow this link: see Turkish crime:
http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=13491

but again, make no mistake, speaking out emotion, if EU think by ignoring Kurdistani nation, just keep blind eyes on Turkish crime and hugging Turks and talking about few French style human rights with genocide and assimilation fully intact, no thanks keep it to yourselves, Turks (mongoles) ,Arabs camels, Persian-hindo) couldn’t do it over centuries, you really think few sissy EU they can finish Kurds. They got it wrong
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:06 pm

we all know its very good if turkey joins eu because they can watch them and press them to give rights to the minorities...example look att forme yugoslavia it became all splitted about wat started eu and usa interfered and today still new countries one of them macedonia has made independence from serbia and eu welcomes that just like they welcomes kosovos independence someday..i mean eu will support fully rights for kurds and inside war in turkey when turkey is a eu member it will make eu interfere for real still europe has not healed from second world war and other problems sp the future is tight...the best thing now is turkey becomes member. :wink:

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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:13 pm

I agree that it would be better for Kurds and Turks if Turkey join UE but unfortunatley for the moment both main probably candidate to presidential elections in France are against its entrance. If we add to it the question of Cyprus, the Turkish candidacy has not a good pronostic.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:14 pm

Piling wrote:I agree that it would be better for Kurds and Turks if Turkey join UE but unfortunatley for the moment both main probably candidate to presidential elections in France are against its entrance. If we add to it the question of Cyprus, the Turkish candidacy has not a good pronostic.


Actually - that lady; Royal is for Turkey's entrance into the EU?
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:21 pm

No she is against I think but she has not given her personnal opinion (I doubt that she has). She just say that it should be the choice of French people (so by referendum). And as most of French ppl are against Turkish candidacy so we could say that she does not approve it.
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PostAuthor: Gurgin » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:58 pm

the turks is a complicated people, they will never admit the genocide.

they laugh att armenia and armenia
they think that assyrians is a sub-nationality from the kurds
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