What is "Turk" and more importantly - who?

[Balci]

no ''japans'' eh ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan

Kublai Khan | Hōjō Tokimune

Strength
35,000 Mongol & Chinese soldiers and 18,000 Korean warriors | 10,000
Casualties
16,000 killed before landed | minimal

16.000 men are MUCH, so don't tell me Japan did not play a role.

[zurderer]

what the hell they played at china central asia, europe or middle east.?

They only protected their lands. how did they resque europea?

[K4L_2007]

no, japans. They helped russians turks persian and arabs from far east asia.

Maybe you should read more about mongol history. You are half right. Noone defeated genghis. Their empire divided for.

If you want to talk about defeat. Sorry body, Kolemens were not kurds. They were living at egypt, and largely an arab-turkish army.

Kurdistan did nothing, dont find new historical tales from your stomach.

It is funny, kurds think they overcome mongols.

read history from an objective books. Not your 1001 night kurdish history tales.

Ok what about the turk whos named Cengiz? (pronounced Jengiz like Ghengis Khan) I also know turks with small eyes (like central asians)

it is funny what we think we overcome mongols right? when your surrounded by four countries who dont have dignity and your still a threat to them, you can overcome a lot.

And the empire didnt end with ghengis khan, it went on to his grandson kublai khan.

[Balci]

well you know zurderer, lol...
Not even the Mongolian army had infinite with men, they wasted way to much in asia.

[zurderer]

Ok what about the turk whos named Cengiz? (pronounced Jengiz like Ghengis Khan) I also know turks with small eyes (like central asians)

Haha, what an historian. There are turks named as iskender(Alexander.) too. are we greeks now?

Yeah, Central asians have small eyes. So what? japans have too.

Kurd-persian relation is not much different than turk-mongol relation..

so are you a pers?

Not even the Mongolian army had infinite with men, they wasted way to much in asia.

realy? so japans stoped mongolian army? of course, mongols only had 15.000 soldiers..

I should add mongols used a lot other nations for their army. Their army was mainly Turkic(They are more turk than mongols, that is why they asimilated later.) They have even armenian, georgian or arab soldiers..

So 15.000 is absolutely not such an important number..

[Balci]

and do not forget all those men killed in China.

[K4L_2007]

Ok what about the turk whos named Cengiz? (pronounced Jengiz like Ghengis Khan) I also know turks with small eyes (like central asians)

Haha, what an historian. There are turks named as iskender(Alexander.) too. are we greeks now?

Yeah, Central asians have small eyes. So what? japans have too.

Kurd-persian relation is not much different than turk-mongol relation..

so are you a pers?

Yeah, but iskender is a common name in many countries, its a national name. Cengiz however is not very usual.

kurds and persians are neighboes, turks and mongols arent.
Most of the middle east countries have words thats relating to another but turkey is one that parts much compared to the others.

But i dont really care whether their mongols or not, its history.

[zurderer]

kurds and persians are neighboes, turks and mongols arent.

They are, Turks expanded from mongolia. Firstly central asia, later anatolia and north of blacksea.

and do not forget all those men killed in China.

That is war, but still these men killed at china did not stop mongols, ah also dont forget resource mongol benefitted from china.

[K4L_2007]

kurds and persians are neighboes, turks and mongols arent.

They are, Turks expanded from mongolia. Firstly central asia, later anatolia and north of blacksea.

and do not forget all those men killed in China.

That is war, but still these men killed at china did not stop mongols, ah also dont forget resource mongol benefitted from china.

Yeah but these ppl didnt have the same culture etc, kurds and iranians do. Like.. Why doesnt Turkish names resemble Bulgarian names etc.

[zurderer]

These people had similar cultures. Nomad cultures. why do you think, almost all mongols were asimilated to turks?

[K4L_2007]

These people had similar cultures. Nomad cultures. why do you think, almost all mongols were asimilated to turks?

1. They could have stayed there

2. Some turks discuss this

I think it says turks and mongolians have relations (like kurds and iranians)

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_p ... 16489&PN=3

[Darkseid]

These people had similar cultures. Nomad cultures. why do you think, almost all mongols were asimilated to turks?

1. They could have stayed there

2. Some turks discuss this

I think it says turks and mongolians have relations (like kurds and iranians)

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_p ... 16489&PN=3

Turks and Mongols belong to the Altaic Language Family.



Kurds and Iranians belong to the Indo-European Language Family.





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By the way, Turks, Iranians, Arabs, Kurds, and just about everyone else all came originally from Africa.

This is what your ancestors looked like (well the Homo Erectus variety)

Well it is actually a number of images of what they could have looked like base on a broad variety of archeaological studies and research.





And this is how your ancestors migrated out of Africa.




My point is why should we have to fight about this? We are cousins for crying out loud. Don't make greatest grandpa upset by having his huge diversity of descendents fight over land that was originally just a part of the Earth. So lets just come to an agreement and an understanding. That way we can get along in the same manner would make our greatest grandpa proud.

We are all descendents of Adam right? Want to make Adam upset by having all of his descendents continue to fight over meager things?