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Turkey should recognize the Assyrian genocide of 1915

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PostAuthor: Balci » Wed May 16, 2007 5:11 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:That is nothing compare to how Native Americans were treated when the white settlers came.


A crulty is a crulty, you cant say that this is not to be compared!
You even can´t imagine how the people feeling were!


you are right, Armenians and Assyrians had suffered enough, and a cruelty is a cruelty. Long live the victims of the genocide.
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Wed May 16, 2007 6:12 pm

Balci wrote:
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Darkseid wrote:That is nothing compare to how Native Americans were treated when the white settlers came.


A crulty is a crulty, you cant say that this is not to be compared!
You even can´t imagine how the people feeling were!


you are right, Armenians and Assyrians had suffered enough, and a cruelty is a cruelty. Long live the victims of the genocide.


Not only for Armenians and Assyrians, for every suffering people!
Humans should fight Egoism, opression and HATE!

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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 11:33 am

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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Thu May 17, 2007 2:58 pm

zurderer wrote:are we talking about burning kurdish villages or genocide?

Kurds were treated badly but not genocided(except cultural genocide, asimilation.). At least, not in Turkey.

Lets not compare terms with each others..


A genocide does not have to mean the end or potentially end of an ethnicity, so its up to anyone if they like to call it a kurdish genocide at turkey/irak/iran/syria or not as many lives have been killed.

Not up to turks though, since according to them, a million lives does not count as genocides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... ide_claims

http://www.gomidas.org/forum/af4kurds.htm
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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Thu May 17, 2007 3:18 pm

These Are just lies, kurds arent Terrorists, PKK arent terrorists, Dont listen to what media says, its turkish dictature government who spreads fake news to the world, Öcalan said himself, their party is not against the people of turkey, but to the government, Öcalan loves Turkey and his favourite football team is Galatasaray, Öcalan has turkish blood in himself.

They are LYING. These are just attempts to either make Europe help turkey against kurds, spread bad news about kurds so their chances of an own republic goes down, to make the turkish people hate kurds. To have the right to harass kurds, so the kurds themselves get sicked of PKK and want them to stop because the civil people are the ones who are getting affected.

If you know what happens at Guantanamo, which is controlled by the "democratic" united states, then you know for sure that Turkish government which is dictature, can make up false stuff about anything.

its clearly word against word, turkish word against kurdish word, but since the kurds at turkey dont have any government or propaganda they can defend themselves with, they cant tell the world that these actions are false.

All the numbers of how many kurds have died through the war is only what is estimated, the real number is much higher, but its all concealed
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 5:31 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:These Are just lies, kurds arent Terrorists, PKK arent terrorists, Dont listen to what media says, its turkish dictature government who spreads fake news to the world, Öcalan said himself, their party is not against the people of turkey, but to the government, Öcalan loves Turkey and his favourite football team is Galatasaray, Öcalan has turkish blood in himself.


Well you can say that there is some terrorist activity, but most of it is from the Turks themselves.

They are LYING. These are just attempts to either make Europe help turkey against kurds, spread bad news about kurds so their chances of an own republic goes down, to make the turkish people hate kurds. To have the right to harass kurds, so the kurds themselves get sicked of PKK and want them to stop because the civil people are the ones who are getting affected.

If you know what happens at Guantanamo, which is controlled by the "democratic" united states, then you know for sure that Turkish government which is dictature, can make up false stuff about anything.

its clearly word against word, turkish word against kurdish word, but since the kurds at turkey dont have any government or propaganda they can defend themselves with, they cant tell the world that these actions are false.

All the numbers of how many kurds have died through the war is only what is estimated, the real number is much higher, but its all concealed


It reminds me of how the "United States" treated Native Americans. They try to make it all hush hush or present evidence to explain their actions. But we should all know there was no reason for moving 12 million Cherokees by force from their land in the fertile Southeast to the arid and stormy Oklahoma. The Cherokee are farmers and they were sent in chains with guns at the back of their heads to an arid land known to be rapid with swarms of tornadoes.

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That's Oklahoma and in the dark blue shows the largest concentration of Cherokees.

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What Cherokees looked like.

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What Cherokee land was located at amongst other Native American tribal groups. As you can see the reason why Cherokee is highlighted is because of our population. Our people were more populous in the entire the region than all the others combined. This was primarly due to our medical advancements and agricultural achievements.

In fact nowadays, most Americans have some ancestory root to the Cherokee people like myself. This was due to how successful Cherokee people were in integration, but it was mainly with minorities and less privledged white folk that didn't mind marrying a Cherokee.


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This shows the land where the Cherokee people are the original inhabitants.

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Those are tornadoes, which are by far more common in the United States than they are else where. You can occasionally get them in Europe, Australia, and in Banglandesh.

We get them like more than hundred times a year in various locations.

And they are a pain, because they can throw houses and demolish entire cities.

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Here is a small bit of what a Tornado can do to a town.
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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 7:42 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:These Are just lies, kurds arent Terrorists, PKK arent terrorists, Dont listen to what media says, its turkish dictature government who spreads fake news to the world, Öcalan said himself, their party is not against the people of turkey, but to the government, Öcalan loves Turkey and his favourite football team is Galatasaray, Öcalan has turkish blood in himself.

They are LYING. These are just attempts to either make Europe help turkey against kurds, spread bad news about kurds so their chances of an own republic goes down, to make the turkish people hate kurds. To have the right to harass kurds, so the kurds themselves get sicked of PKK and want them to stop because the civil people are the ones who are getting affected.

If you know what happens at Guantanamo, which is controlled by the "democratic" united states, then you know for sure that Turkish government which is dictature, can make up false stuff about anything.

its clearly word against word, turkish word against kurdish word, but since the kurds at turkey dont have any government or propaganda they can defend themselves with, they cant tell the world that these actions are false.

All the numbers of how many kurds have died through the war is only what is estimated, the real number is much higher, but its all concealed


Indeed, but does anyone know for sure if PKK drug shipping is turkish propaganda ?
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 8:38 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:That is nothing compare to how Native Americans were treated when the white settlers came.


A crulty is a crulty, you cant say that this is not to be compared!
You even can´t imagine how the people feeling were!


You really should study the more cruel nature of the white people.

The things that they did to the Native Americans would even make you, someone quite aware of the cruel nature that occurs to Armenians, Assyrians, and Kurds, become freaked out.

Lets put it this way. At least there still is over a million Assyrians in the Middle-East.

There use to be over 12 million Cherokees in the North America before the white settlers came and now there is a little over three hundred thousand.

I'm sorry but I don't anyone could possibly been treated worse than Native Americans.

Native Americans were treated so bad in the United States that most of them had to change their ethnicity from whatever it was to Black, because African Slaves were treated better.

Native Americans were often thought of as Demons, Scum of the Earth, less human than animals, army of satan, the true evil and sin of humanity, and even as fair game in terms of hunting. I mean Native Americans actually were licenced game to hunt and decorate your house with during the nineteenth century.
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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 8:45 pm

Darkseid wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:That is nothing compare to how Native Americans were treated when the white settlers came.


A crulty is a crulty, you cant say that this is not to be compared!
You even can´t imagine how the people feeling were!


You really should study the more cruel nature of the white people.

The things that they did to the Native Americans would even make you, someone quite aware of the cruel nature that occurs to Armenians, Assyrians, and Kurds, become freaked out.

Lets put it this way. At least there still is over a million Assyrians in the Middle-East.

There use to be over 12 million Cherokees in the North America before the white settlers came and now there is a little over three hundred thousand.

I'm sorry but I don't anyone could possibly been treated worse than Native Americans.

Native Americans were treated so bad in the United States that most of them had to change their ethnicity from whatever it was to Black, because African Slaves were treated better.


Really never heard or studied the genocide of the Indians, would've been
nice if you could provide me with something to read. Thanks
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 8:56 pm

Balci wrote:
Darkseid wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:That is nothing compare to how Native Americans were treated when the white settlers came.


A crulty is a crulty, you cant say that this is not to be compared!
You even can´t imagine how the people feeling were!


You really should study the more cruel nature of the white people.

The things that they did to the Native Americans would even make you, someone quite aware of the cruel nature that occurs to Armenians, Assyrians, and Kurds, become freaked out.

Lets put it this way. At least there still is over a million Assyrians in the Middle-East.

There use to be over 12 million Cherokees in the North America before the white settlers came and now there is a little over three hundred thousand.

I'm sorry but I don't anyone could possibly been treated worse than Native Americans.

Native Americans were treated so bad in the United States that most of them had to change their ethnicity from whatever it was to Black, because African Slaves were treated better.


Really never heard or studied the genocide of the Indians, would've been
nice if you could provide me with something to read. Thanks


LOL!

I don't think you could rightfully call this, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ericas.png , India.

Well you can look it on Wikipedia.

Search Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, and I'll give you some as a starting point.

There is plenty of information so its not like I can give all of it at once.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Ame ... al_impacts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

http://www.peaknet.net/~aardvark/index2.html

There are at least FIVE HUNDRED reasons to believe that this is a LIE. Of all the treaties made by the government of the United States with the Indian tribes, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN KEPT. And yet, when it is convenient to their own ends, government officials insist that the tribes fulfill "their end" of the treaties. This is a shame to us all, no matter what our color or origin.


500 or more treaties made between the United States Government and Native American Tribes. None of which the United States fullfilled.

I remember according to my family's history that my great great grandfather had to tell people that he was black rather than Native American because of how bad things were.
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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 9:01 pm

no I mean... Indians, like, the indigenous race of America. Columbus or someone like that, sailed to find India (Hindustan) and came to America, and then, the indigenous Americans were Indians xD, In that matter, I call you Indians, lol.

Nice, ill start reading right away :D
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 9:03 pm

Balci wrote:no I mean... Indians, like, the indigenous race of America.


They don't call themselves Indians. Often enough they prefer calling themselves by their tribal name like Cherokee, Cheek, or Massachusetts.

Columbus or someone like that, sailed to find India (Hindustan) and came to America, and then, the indigenous Americans were Indians xD, In that matter, I call you Indians, lol.


Yeah, but do remember that Colombus was an Italian idiot.

I am quite certain that if someone from the Middle-East had came things might not have become like they are today.

Nice, ill start reading right away :D


Thank you.
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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 9:09 pm

Darkseid wrote:
Balci wrote:no I mean... Indians, like, the indigenous race of America.


They don't call themselves Indians. Often enough they prefer calling themselves by their tribal name like Cherokee, Cheek, or Massachusetts.

Columbus or someone like that, sailed to find India (Hindustan) and came to America, and then, the indigenous Americans were Indians xD, In that matter, I call you Indians, lol.


Yeah, but do remember that Colombus was an Italian idiot.

I am quite certain that if someone from the Middle-East had came things might not have become like they are today.

Nice, ill start reading right away :D


Thank you.


Yeah, No Columbus, No America, and America would instead be ruled by Tribes(Ill call you tribes from now on lol)

Reading the Trail of Tears now, Quite interesting stuff, injustice and bad morale prevails, it looks like.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uXSpHpdRwkU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 9:21 pm

Balci wrote:
Darkseid wrote:
Balci wrote:no I mean... Indians, like, the indigenous race of America.


They don't call themselves Indians. Often enough they prefer calling themselves by their tribal name like Cherokee, Cheek, or Massachusetts.

Columbus or someone like that, sailed to find India (Hindustan) and came to America, and then, the indigenous Americans were Indians xD, In that matter, I call you Indians, lol.


Yeah, but do remember that Colombus was an Italian idiot.

I am quite certain that if someone from the Middle-East had came things might not have become like they are today.

Nice, ill start reading right away :D


Thank you.


Yeah, No Columbus, No America, and America would instead be ruled by Tribes(Ill call you tribes from now on lol)

Reading the Trail of Tears now, Quite interesting stuff, injustice and bad morale prevails, it looks like.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uXSpHpdRwkU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   


You could call us Turtle Islanders, because that is what we call North America.

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