Strengthen the Turkish - Kurdish Brotherhood

[Marie K.]

I am not about to list Turkey's crimes against the Kurdish people and this article is a piece of ****.

but who cares about personal opinion regarding historical facts who had been proved by almost every historian from any countries this website? u think there is only in this website u can find this..of course there are so many ...its u right you totally dont care about people who had genocide kurdish (cuz whats a kurdish life compare to an american life??.....its good there are people who are thinking really what they have writen..

[zurderer]

Grey wolfes are as stupid as you.. You realy give great example. They try to build friendship over genes too..


By the way, I am not against or support USA politics, I care for Turkey politics..

And for your info, USA is only power who can help kurds.

turkey people want so much to try to find anyone who will accept to unite with them...

Absurd, childish and stupidish. I personally does not care much If kurdish land leave from Turkey. Why do you think, I will support an idea with joining so much poor state like afghanistan? and I am sure you cannot find any turk who care with joining afghanistan.

if i waste so much ur time noone has forced u to answer to me ur really of bad faith..^^

Because You are talking so much emtpy, I cannot resist to answer..

we lol u think that u can speak for the whole word cuz for u turkish= the only race on the earth

No stupid. It is you who is talking for all world. Let kurd afghans or iranian talk. They dont need a french child for their voice..

of. Realy I am not sure who is more stupid you or darkshit. or maybe you are him.

ps: about usa they only used u (i mean turkey) for economis interests nothing more...but they never have supported this state..

wow. what a intelligent guy.. child, states does not support eachother. They do everything for their interests.(Economic or politic.)

[Marie K.]

and why Afghanistan shoud be united with any other cutrny, Iran or Turkey ?
I think that building friendships based on common ideology, or culture, or economical interests, or even religion is more senseous than on DNA... Before chosing your friends you ask for their genealogy ?

guess?? of course not;-) i dont care if my friends could be a asian or indo-european..or whatever..else cuz im not as nazi pan-turkist..
anyway building friendship about religion is really hypocrital ...cuz the turkish and kurdish who have same religion have never been in yea building friendships based on common culture is good and make sense but not about religion i believe it could have real friendship even if some people got different religious beliefs for instance see during the conflict with Nagorno-Karabagh Iran had support more Armenia than Azerbaijan (even if irani and azeri have generally same religion) some armenian have said they prefered to unite with people who had helped us in the past for example the irani (or also lebanese) but generally they wont to unite with georgians even if they had same religion: orthodox, cuz georgia do support more turkey than them...
only the fanatics religious want only to unite with people from same religion..

[Marie K.]

Grey wolfes are as stupid as you.. You realy give great example. They try to build friendship over genes too..


By the way, I am not against or support USA politics, I care for Turkey politics..

And for your info, USA is only power who can help kurds.

Absurd, childish and stupidish. I personally does not care much If kurdish land leave from Turkey. Why do you think, I will support an idea with joining so much poor state like afghanistan? and I am sure you cannot find any turk who care with joining afghanistan.

not only afghanistan each state where turkish had been (even if they were settled in there for a short time) afterwards they want to conquer again and not only other central asia states some want also to unite with people from caucasus mountains and balkans cuz they think because of turkish (ottomans) had invaded them in the past it could gives to turkish to "take rights" and justify to take again those land..
they do consider everyone of them as turkish even if they arent turkish at all..

Because You are talking so much emtpy, I cannot resist to answer..

u are the best example of turkish who dont know anything about culture;-)
dont forget that u dont any culture & identity but all what u have now was belongs from greeks and others asia minor peoples..

No stupid. It is you who is talking for all world. Let kurd afghans or iranian talk. They dont need a french child for their voice..

of. Realy I am not sure who is more stupid you or darkshit. or maybe you are him.

u wont be able to stop me to speak im sorry i observe its really annoying u so much that some people here are getting to reveal ur real history that u wanted so much to hide and falsify, my english isnt perfect at all (compare to some others people here) but ur is quite bad..idont support especially iranian or afghans..but all indo-european people..

wow. what a intelligent guy.. child, states does not support eachother. They do everything for their interests.(Economic or politic.)

perhaps but it wont be defending..anyway dont forget that there are more than 5 countries who are against ur country political..(some are show ing more than others thats all..)

dont forget that u turkish and in every european country the immigrant turkish citizen have their statut life who is getting very low compare to iranian or armenian..(only a example of ur lack of succeed except killing people)

[zurderer]

repeating yourself. As I said before, You are boring.

It is sad you are a member of higher race but you have lover intelligent than standart people.

[Marie K.]

repeating yourself. As I said before, You are boring.

It is sad you are a member of higher race but you have lover intelligent than standart people.

i fell really pity for u case u have nothing interesting to say the only thing u can defend is insulting people
just accept ur true history...and stop being so much jealous of others nice people & culture and u should also stop your complex of inferiority you feel towards people u know they are more cultured and smart than u..

(end of this off-thread)


ps: u think about urself u have any sense of humor? lol its good for u but u probably the only person here who think that..

[SinekSekiz]

People writes their own comments as facts in this forum.

Republic of Turkey is not just Turks or Kurts there is so many other races and as Turks and Kurts these races are Cerkez and Laz (I am sorry I do not know how these races called in English) are brothers to. To be able to live together all these people should come to point except one common point. Islam is a religion and you can not force everybody to be muslim. This is emperialism. But we are al from Turkey so if you disolve the unity of Turkey you disolve everybody who lives under that flag.

Turk or Kurt, Cerkez or Laz, Tatar or Dadas every one fought for indipendce of this country after first world war. You can not say one did and another did not. We fought for this country and if we did not you were talking with French, UK, Russian goverment for your lives and Cerkez and Afgans had so much problems when they were just dealing for their life.

Someone said Turkis goverment kill Kurts and destroys their villages so they can live as beggars on the streets of Istanbul. This does not makes sence. If you kill someone and abduct or burn their homes you send them out of country beacuse you piss that man off. If you do not they turn back and kill you. Why not those people those kurts does not kill us but a group of tricked people (PKK) does.

We sell our building to a Kurdish family. They were rich. As far as I can remmeber they were in textile bussines in Bursa. After we moved another street in Bursa. My family lived in a street with Kurdish families. We played together, my mom visit them, they visit us. We shared same lifestlye for almost 5 years. Then we had to move and before that these neigbours come and visit us. Where we move we did not have lots of neighbours but one of few building in same are had Kurdish families. Our first friendly neighbours were them.

I am in London right now and I can not picture my Turkey without our neighbours. We are brothers. We always be. Whomever is opposed to this idea does not want peace in the first place. I do not think PKK as Kurts. I think them as a group of stupid and used people. They are pupets. And most of the people form pupitiers country keep saying that Turks does not like Kurts. Because if unite they can not achive what they want to achive. They need a weak Turkey. A powerful Turkey is a problem for most powerful countries of the world. USA, UK, Russia, France, Germany, China you name it.

Turks and Kurts are not the first and the last thing they have used. They were right and left block first. Then started Turks and Kurts. Nowadays it is islamist and secular state supporters. It is just a game which has been played on Turkey because of it Geographic location. Who can control Turkey can control Europe and Middle East. It is the bridge and nobody wants to get rid of the keeper. They tried and it became one of the reason of second world war. But nobody wants keeper to be strong either. If he is no one can do anything.

Turks and Kurts are brothers. Because I remmeber I had many beofre I came here. Do not be stupid and let people use us...

[Diri]

@SinekSekiz

Look, you have written an AWFUL lot of historical inaccuracies...

1) Kurds and Turks fought the allied powers together, yes - and without the Kurds, the Turks could not have won the war...

2) The Kurdish issue didn't start yesterday or the day before. It started when Ataturk broke his word of "Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood state". That was in 1924!

3) It's typical Turkish paranoia and propaganda to present Kurdish uprisings as "outside interference - trying to divide Turkey to be able to controll it" ("Outside" in e.g.: Britain, Russia, USA etc.)! This is simply NOT TRUE... Kurdish uprisings - 28 in Turkish Kurdistan alone - have been of popular character!

4) Your good Kurdish neighbours says more about how kind Kurds are than about how united Kurds and Turks are in Turkey. The FACT of the matter is that Kurds who wish to be Turkish are free to do so... But we are not talking about Kurds who live in villas in Istanbul, Ankara, Antayla, Izmir or Bursa... We're talking about a Kurdish public and NATION which demands cultural and human rights... We're talking about people who have been alienated by the Turkish government - and who will not be "Turkish" in the sense of the word today!

5) I for one, am not advocating the break-up of Turkey. Most Kurds in all four parts of Kurdistan, are content with cultural rights and self-governing... What you need to do is: show RESPECT to our people and our culture... Don't oppress us and don't pretend we don't exist. Don't try to deny our history and don't try to tell us who or what we are!

First of all, you need to understand and accept that "K U R D I S T A N" is the name of a REGION. It is the name of the area which Kurds make up the majority of the population...
Now you will tell me that "There are Turks there too" - well I KNOW that... But those are not NATIVE people - and they are mostly Turkmen and Turks who have been moved here by the Turkish state to assimilate the Kurds more... FURTHERMORE - the name "KURDISTAN" is a historical name which was (according to many scholars) coined by the Seljuks - and used untill 1924 - when it turned into a taboo expression...

Now if YOU really believe in dialogue and peaceful solutions - you will start with yourself: respect us for who we are...

[SinekSekiz]

I am respectin you and I would like to comunicate with you. But you can not balme me for just gettin alittle bit angry because if you can see half of the post in these forums you will se people are even worse then I am. I mean how many post is there called Turkey Turks as "these nomads" or "mongols" mongols and Turks two different races.

If you read their post my posts are like a poem : D

Anyway lets reply your message;

1) I did not say anything agains to that. I just said not just Turks and Kurds every other races fight along with Turks. We can not limit them with Turks only.

2) Kurdish issue might not be started just yesterday however it changed its directions more then once and at the and after 1984 it started to become wery ugly. But this was not just some small problems after 1984 provacations from Syria and Russia it got terrible. I can see that we are open provacation so easly. I just show you an example in another topic.

3) I think I can not express it hard enough for all of us. Kurdish issue can be solve on tables if there would not be any outside iterference. Turks, Kurds an other races are provocated by many countries in the past. They do not want a stabil an powerful Turkey in order to press their wishes. So even simple problems like scarf are becoming greatly devastating.

4) I do not understand this part either. If you are able to live very confortably if you like and work to what else would you need. I mean USA named after an italian Amerigo Vespucci and I don't see them complain. So beside the name of the country what other right you don't have or will not get during preperation to EU? You will even get the chance of representing yourself in EU parlament if we are able to join.

5) Well I do show respect to your culture, race, and you. Turkish goverment can't kept responsible for everything. We must first unite to show our power against to whom dares to playes game based on us. We get strong both as echonomically and politically together. I am not going to deny Kurdish existence in my country as many others did. Or their part to our freedom an survival till now as well as any other race. But we are going in to same fire. Turks, Kurds, Zazas, Laz, Cerkes or Alevis, Sunnis, Christian or east, west, north and south will burn as equals. Focusing on some small difference betwen us and forgetting the main goal is what they want us to do.

As I said before I show respect if you wanted to do so. And it does not really bothers me. But you can not ask or force me to do the same as well. I will called the region as the name given by all over the world. N. Iraq and S.E. Turkey. This is politically and geographically correct. I means Istanbul usde to be called Konstantinapole but I do not see anybody call it like that these days.

I show respect to people ideas, All I critsize is the way they express it. If people does it in a civilised manner I would do the same. By the way your wensite name is Northern Iraq as well.