Oghuz Turks

[VRTC]

The Oghuz Turks are regarded as one of the major branches of Turkic peoples
The Oghuz Turks are ancestors of today's Southwestern Turks ,totalling a combined population of 100 million and ranging from eastern Europe to western Asia. The peoples who identify themselves as descendants of the Oghuz Turks include the Azerbaijanis, Turks (of Turkey), Turkish Cypriots, Balkan Turks, Turkmens, Qashqai, Khorasani, and Gagauz.




Cyprus


Azerbaijan


Turks in Bulgaria


Turks in Macedonia


Tabriz-Turkish demostration

[Piling]

I wonder how many so-called "Turks" have really more than 20% of Oghuz blood in their veins... Just look at their faces and compare with Uzbeks.

[zurderer]

uzbeks are not oguz. Also, nomad yoruks are not like uzbeks and yoruks did not intermarry with others.

So your theory is falling at here.

Thanks for france approach to turkish people. Increase your knowledge about turks.(at least, If you will make stupid comments.)

[Piling]

OK if you know Uzbek better than me but look at seljuks' arts (ceramic, paintings or sculptures) the Turkish faces, and compare with common current Turkish citizens, all the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Seljuk_prince.jpg

This pretention to make a confusion between language and "blood and races" is stupid. Most of Turks have more Greek genetic roots than Turkish. Azeri speak Turkish but half of them are Iranians...

[zurderer]

sure It is stupid but It is also stupid to claim what you are saying too.

You cannot built a standart turkish charateristic. As I said before, there are unmixed turks and they does not look like uzbek.

Infact, how do you know mongolians did not effect central asian turks?

If you look ottoman patisahs, they are not like mongolians too.

[Piling]

If you look ottoman patisahs, they are not like mongolians too.

Too much marriages with non-Turkish. Since their coming in Anatolia, Turkish leaders used to marry with other ethnies (political alliances), and even, surprisingly, with Greeks since 13th-14th century.

[zurderer]

Ottomans did not come from anatolia but central asia as nomads.

Their first rulers did not marry with non-turks. Marrying with greeks are not such a suprising event. Greek-Turkish enemity is a newly phenomen.

Anyway, as I said before, Yoruks did not intermarried with others and they does not look like ozbeks or kazaks. No need to talk history when we have reality..

So who are yoruks? Greek clans?

[Piling]

I never say that Ottoman came from Anatolia but in Anatolia. They were only a part of these Oghuz rulers bound to Seljuks.

When Oghuz arrived in Anatolia, after 1071, surely they did not immediately praticed inter-mariage. But in 12th, 13th, 14th, most of "Turks" were mixed with many other migrants, for example Persians, Khwarizmi, refugees of Khorasan (as Jalaj al Dîn Rumi) and indigenuous populations; Moreover, considering the christian population in Anatolia before the arrival of Turks, and considering that, at this time, Turkish rulers were civilized and did not exterminated population, we could mathematically estimated that after many centuries, there are a large part "Greek, Armenian, Syriac, Arab, Jewish, Kurdish and so on" origins in a current Turk. The demography is not the same in 11th century than 3 hundred years later.

And if we consider the origin of Ottoman harem, the origin of their vizirs and officials (coming from devshirme), "Oghuz genes" should be largely dissolved at Topkapi, and more in common people.

it does not mean that current Turks are not "Turks" by culture, language, etc. Anatolian regions were partly invaded by Oghuz, partly assimilated, as in Azerbayjan. Other regions remained non-Turkish until 20th century.

Claude Cahen had an objective point of view concerning the question, where he tried to distinguish the different steps of Turkish presence in Anatolia, and the social, religious, linguistic evolution of these lands. It was also in his Pre-Ottoman Turkey that he noticed the surprisingly Greek-Turkish mariage (surprising because of religions). For example, Zaynal Beg, Uzun Hasan's son, was a relative of the Basileus by women...

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~fisher/ ... cahen.html

[Vladimir]

Lot of christians also got assimilated. Remember what Gokalp said: If you go outside the city, you become Kurd. If you move inside the city, you become Turk.