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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Fri May 11, 2007 3:08 pm

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K4L_2007 wrote:Is there any proof you were here before the kurds in these lands??


is there a proof which shows, that people who were called Kurds where first on these lands?


No, thats what i mean, there isnt, therefore we let the majority of these lands have the lands am i right or false? What solution is more logically do you believe?


Let this picture speak for itself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iraq_demography.jpg

If you disagree with my thought, i would appreciate if you would tell me why.

Though I do hope that kurds and assyrians can live in peace
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Fri May 11, 2007 3:16 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:Is there any proof you were here before the kurds in these lands??


is there a proof which shows, that people who were called Kurds where first on these lands?


No, thats what i mean, there isnt, therefore we let the majority of these lands have the lands am i right or false? What solution is more logically do you believe?


Let this picture speak for itself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iraq_demography.jpg

If you disagree with my thought, i would appreciate if you would tell me why.

Though I do hope that kurds and assyrians can live in peace


Before we let the majority decide, I just use a genocide on the muslim population around that area, and after that we can let the majority decide...good idea or?

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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Fri May 11, 2007 3:35 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:Is there any proof you were here before the kurds in these lands??


is there a proof which shows, that people who were called Kurds where first on these lands?


No, thats what i mean, there isnt, therefore we let the majority of these lands have the lands am i right or false? What solution is more logically do you believe?


Let this picture speak for itself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iraq_demography.jpg

If you disagree with my thought, i would appreciate if you would tell me why.

Though I do hope that kurds and assyrians can live in peace


Before we let the majority decide, I just use a genocide on the muslim population around that area, and after that we can let the majority decide...good idea or?


275000 chaldo-assyrians died at the genocide, even if you remove 300k kurds from that area, they are still a majority.

And the genocide did not affect those in the iraqi part of assyria


I am for an independent Assyria, but i dont want it at Kurdistan
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Fri May 11, 2007 4:15 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
K4L_2007 wrote:Is there any proof you were here before the kurds in these lands??


is there a proof which shows, that people who were called Kurds where first on these lands?


No, thats what i mean, there isnt, therefore we let the majority of these lands have the lands am i right or false? What solution is more logically do you believe?


Let this picture speak for itself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iraq_demography.jpg

If you disagree with my thought, i would appreciate if you would tell me why.

Though I do hope that kurds and assyrians can live in peace


Before we let the majority decide, I just use a genocide on the muslim population around that area, and after that we can let the majority decide...good idea or?


275000 chaldo-assyrians died at the genocide, even if you remove 300k kurds from that area, they are still a majority.

And the genocide did not affect those in the iraqi part of assyria


I am for an independent Assyria, but i dont want it at Kurdistan



You are funny dude!

2/3 or 75% of the Assyrian Nation got lost during this time, this doesnt only mean that those people have been killed, it also means, that children and women where forced into muslim families and raisded up to turks or kurds!


you want what? an independent Assyria, but not at Kurdistan...are you a comidian?

Assyrians are living on Assyrian Land wether you want it or not!
you are not there to decide where to put the Assyrian boarders, well you can send them on the Mars, so you dont have a assyria beside your kurdistan...how is that?

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your kurdish boardes have gone over their true lines...like Barzani says Kurdistan got its own boarders....the mountains....and the mountain cover only 1/3 of northern Iraq!!!


you just think like a Turk, we want a Kurdish State but not in Turkey...


If you want it or not Assyria is not somewhere in Saudia Arabia or in Bambucta! It is in northern Mesopotamia!!!

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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Fri May 11, 2007 4:35 pm

here you have some articals written during the genocide...


Hannibal Travis, Assistant Professor of Law at Florida International University, wrote in the peer-reviewed journal Genocide Studies and Prevention: An International Journal that:

Numerous articles in the American press documented the genocide of Assyrians by the Turks and their Kurdish allies. By 1918, The Los Angeles Times carried the story of a Syrian, or most likely Assyrian, merchant from Urmia who stated that his city was ‘‘completely wiped out, the inhabitants massacred,’’ 200 surrounding villages ravaged, 200,000 of his people dead, and hundreds of thousands of more starving to death in exile from their agricultural lands. In an article entitled ‘‘Native Christians Massacred,’’ the Associated Press correspondent reported that in the vicinity of Urmia, ‘‘Turkish regular troops and Kurds are persecuting and massacring Assyrian Christians.’’ Close to 800 were confirmed dead in Urmia, and another 2,000 had perished from disease. Two hundred Assyrians had been burned to death inside a church, and the Russians had discovered more than 700 bodies of massacre victims in the village of Hafdewan outside Urmia, ‘‘mostly naked and mutilated,’’ some with gunshot wounds, others decapitated, and still others carved to pieces.

Other leading British and American newspapers corroborated these accounts of the Assyrian genocide. The New York Times reported on 11 October that 12,000 Persian Christians had died of massacre, hunger, or disease; thousands of girls as young as seven had been raped or forcibly converted to Islam; Christian villages had been destroyed, and three-fourths of Christian villages burned to the ground. The Times of London was perhaps the first widely respected publication to document the fact that 250,000 Assyrians and Chaldeans eventually died in the Ottoman genocide of Christians, a figure which many journalists and scholars have subsequently accepted....

As the Earl of Listowel, speaking in the House of Lords on 28 November 1933, stated, ‘‘the Assyrians fought on our side during the war,’’ and made ‘‘enormous sacrifices,’’ having ‘‘lost altogether by the end of the War about two-thirds of their total number.’'....

About half of the Assyrian nation died of murder, disease, or exposure as refugees during the war, according to the head of the Anglican Church, which had a mission to the Assyrians.[3]

In April 1915, Ottoman Troops easily invaded Gawar, a region of Hakkari, and massacred the entire population.[citation needed] Prior to this, in October of 1914, 71 Assyrian men of Gawar were arrested and taken to the local government centre in Bashkalla and killed.[4] Also in April, Kurdish troops surrounded the village of Tel Mozilt and imprisoned 475 men (among them, Reverend Gabrial, the famous red-bearded priest). The following morning, the prisoners were taken out in rows of four and shot. Arguments rose between the Kurds and the Ottoman officials on what to do with the women and orphans left behind. In the end, the army decided to kill them as well.


In late 1915, Djeudet Bey, Military Governor of Van Province, upon entering Siirt (or Seert) with 8,000 soldiers whom he himself called the "The Butchers' Battalion" (Kasap Taburu), gave orders for the massacre of almost 20,000 Assyrian civilians in at least 30 villages.



During the Winter of 1915, 4,000 Assyrians died from disease, hunger, and exposure, and about 1000 were killed in villages of Urmia.


Massacre of Khoi, Persia

In early 1918, many Assyrians started to flee present-day Turkey. Mar Shimon Benyamin had arranged for some 3,500 Assyrians to reside in the district of Khoi. Not long after settling in, Kurdish troops of the Ottoman Army massacred the population almost entirely. One of the few that survived was Reverend John Eshoo. After escaping, he stated:

You have undoubtedly heard of the Assyrian massacre of Khoi, but I am certain you do not know the details."

These Assyrians were assembled into one caravansary, and shot to death by guns and revolvers. Blood literally flowed in little streams, and the entire open space within the caravansary became a pool of crimson liquid. The place was too small to hold all the living victims waiting for execution. They were brought in groups, and each new group was compelled to stand over the heap of the still bleeding bodies and shot to death. The fearful place became literally a human slaughter house, receiving its speechless victims, in groups of ten and twenty at a time, for execution.

At the same time, the Assyrians, who were residing in the suburb of the city, were brought together and driven into the spacious courtyard of a house [...] The Assyrian refugees were kept under guard for eight days, without anything to eat. At last they were removed from their place of confinement and taken to a spot prepared for their brutal killing. These helpless Assyrians marched like lambs to their slaughter, and they opened not their mouth, save by sayings "Lord, into thy hands we commit our spirits. [...]

The executioners began by cutting first the fingers of their victims, join by joint, till the two hands were entirely amputated. Then they were stretched on the ground, after the manner of the animals that are slain in the Fast, but these with their faces turned upward, and their heads resting upon the stones or blocks of wood Then their throats were half cut, so as to prolong their torture of dying, and while struggling in the agony of death, the victims were kicked and clubbed by heavy poles the murderers carried Many of them, while still laboring under the pain of death, were thrown into ditches and buried before their souls had expired.

The young men and the able-bodied men were separated from among the very young and the old. They were taken some distance from the city and used as targets by the shooters. They all fell, a few not mortally wounded. One of the leaders went to the heaps of the fallen and shouted aloud, swearing by the names of Islam's prophets that those who had not received mortal wounds should rise and depart, as they would not be harmed any more. A few, thus deceived, stood up, but only to fall this time killed by another volley from the guns of the murderers.

Some of the younger and good looking women, together with a few little girls of attractive appearance, pleaded to be killed. Against their will were forced into Islam's harems. Others were subjected to such fiendish insults that I cannot possibly describe. Death, however, came to their rescue and saved them from the vile passions of the demons. The death toll of Assyrians totaled 2,770 men, women and children.[7]



Now you still want to tell me, that you want an Assyria but not at Kurdistan?


My people sufferd greatly, their blood flowed on this area, you nor anyone else (humans) can tell Assyrians what to do or what not to claim theirs!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide

if you are interested you can read here more....


There have been also good people during this war who tried and some even succed to safe their Assyrian and Armenian neighbours...Good bless their families and give them enternel life in paradise!

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PostAuthor: Comerd » Fri May 11, 2007 5:20 pm

Not on anybody's side but:

What is this? A competition on which people has suffered the most and deserves what land? Stop it already, it's a stupid debate that leads nowhere!
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Sat May 12, 2007 9:48 am

Comerd wrote:Not on anybody's side but:

What is this? A competition on which people has suffered the most and deserves what land? Stop it already, it's a stupid debate that leads nowhere!


No it is not a competition, I wouldnt use those dead martyrs for any competition.

I put those parts, because the guy said, lets decide the majority, unforutnataly Assyrians can´t make a majority since they havnt had at least 50 years of peace to increase their population!

And his statment, he want an Assyrian State, but not at Kurdistan was more displaced, since Assyria and Kurdistan claim partly same areas.


But just look at the area Kurds claim and what Assyrians want!

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PostAuthor: Comerd » Sat May 12, 2007 12:27 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Comerd wrote:Not on anybody's side but:

What is this? A competition on which people has suffered the most and deserves what land? Stop it already, it's a stupid debate that leads nowhere!


No it is not a competition, I wouldnt use those dead martyrs for any competition.



Well said.
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Sat May 12, 2007 8:36 pm

Maybe we could divide that area into two equal halves with the southern being Assyrian and the Northern being Kurdish. How about that for a compromise?

You shouldn't simply force people against their will in acquiring an entire territory. That is what the Americans did to the Native populace that had lived in the United States. And we certainly cannot ignore a group of people and their wishes. What we should do is move the Kurds in that area into the Northern portion and move the Assyrians into the Southern Portion. This way both people are happy and an actual compromise is made. I learned this from playing Might and Magic VII.

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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Sat May 12, 2007 8:45 pm

Rumtaya wrote:You are funny dude!

2/3 or 75% of the Assyrian Nation got lost during this time, this doesnt only mean that those people have been killed, it also means, that children and women where forced into muslim families and raisded up to turks or kurds!


you want what? an independent Assyria, but not at Kurdistan...are you a comidian?

Assyrians are living on Assyrian Land wether you want it or not!
you are not there to decide where to put the Assyrian boarders, well you can send them on the Mars, so you dont have a assyria beside your kurdistan...how is that?

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your kurdish boardes have gone over their true lines...like Barzani says Kurdistan got its own boarders....the mountains....and the mountain cover only 1/3 of northern Iraq!!!


you just think like a Turk, we want a Kurdish State but not in Turkey...


If you want it or not Assyria is not somewhere in Saudia Arabia or in Bambucta! It is in northern Mesopotamia!!!


1. according to wiki 275.000 assyrians died during that genocide

2. they did it for the englishmen at south america

3. I didnt say i wanted them to move from my lands and i didnt say i was to decide where they were leaving.

4. The boarders dont represent our lands

5. Turks have no argument of why the country belongs to them more than kurds. Kurds deserve the lands as much as assyrians if not more

6. I think just like a turk? thx for letting me know

7. It Was in northern mesopotamia

Comerd wrote:Not on anybody's side but:

What is this? A competition on which people has suffered the most and deserves what land? Stop it already, it's a stupid debate that leads nowhere!


I Havent posted anything claiming that my people has suffered or suffered more than assyrians, Im just saying that kurds has the same, or more rights having that piece of land, as assyrians do, and now websites makes up fake news like this topic name.
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Sat May 12, 2007 8:54 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:You are funny dude!

2/3 or 75% of the Assyrian Nation got lost during this time, this doesnt only mean that those people have been killed, it also means, that children and women where forced into muslim families and raisded up to turks or kurds!


you want what? an independent Assyria, but not at Kurdistan...are you a comidian?

Assyrians are living on Assyrian Land wether you want it or not!
you are not there to decide where to put the Assyrian boarders, well you can send them on the Mars, so you dont have a assyria beside your kurdistan...how is that?

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your kurdish boardes have gone over their true lines...like Barzani says Kurdistan got its own boarders....the mountains....and the mountain cover only 1/3 of northern Iraq!!!


you just think like a Turk, we want a Kurdish State but not in Turkey...


If you want it or not Assyria is not somewhere in Saudia Arabia or in Bambucta! It is in northern Mesopotamia!!!


1. according to wiki 275.000 assyrians died during that genocide

2. they did it for the englishmen at south america

3. I didnt say i wanted them to move from my lands and i didnt say i was to decide where they were leaving.

4. The boarders dont represent our lands

5. Turks have no argument of why the country belongs to them more than kurds. Kurds deserve the lands as much as assyrians if not more

6. I think just like a turk? thx for letting me know

7. It Was in northern mesopotamia

Comerd wrote:Not on anybody's side but:

What is this? A competition on which people has suffered the most and deserves what land? Stop it already, it's a stupid debate that leads nowhere!


I Havent posted anything claiming that my people has suffered or suffered more than assyrians, Im just saying that kurds has more right having that piece of lands, than assyrians do, and now websites makes up fake news like this topic name.


Quiet down guys.

I am quite certain we can reach a compromise.
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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Sat May 12, 2007 10:43 pm

Trust me, im very quiet, i just dislike topics with false news like these..

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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Sun May 13, 2007 10:30 am

Darkseid wrote:Maybe we could divide that area into two equal halves with the southern being Assyrian and the Northern being Kurdish. How about that for a compromise?

You shouldn't simply force people against their will in acquiring an entire territory. That is what the Americans did to the Native populace that had lived in the United States. And we certainly cannot ignore a group of people and their wishes. What we should do is move the Kurds in that area into the Northern portion and move the Assyrians into the Southern Portion. This way both people are happy and an actual compromise is made. I learned this from playing Might and Magic VII.[/qoute]

What moving them in which part? Can you draw me a map so I can see what you mean!

Dont´t forget that the city of Mosul (anicent Nineveh), is the area where we have our bigges population at the moment!



1. according to wiki 275.000 assyrians died during that genocide


Did you miss the part, where I said...Assyrians have been forced into muslim Turk/Kurdish families? or the part Assyrians were driven into desert?


4. The boarders dont represent our lands


Sorry I was going to draw Kurdistan from miditeranien see to far as urmia and from black sea to far as tirkit, but somehow this would not be the TRUTH!



5. Turks have no argument of why the country belongs to them more than kurds. Kurds deserve the lands as much as assyrians if not more


Now use instead of Turks Kurds and instead of Kurds Assyrians....

6. I think just like a turk? thx for letting me know


You are welcome!

7. It Was in northern mesopotamia


The people are still there so it IS STILL...


Quiet down guys.

I am quite certain we can reach a compromise.


For sure we can, respect Assyrians and their homeland and youll be respected by Assyrians....

I have no problem with Kurds, its the opposite also if arabs and israelis are semetic speaking people, Assyrians have more incommon with Kurds then anyother Nation/people around that area!

Unfortunataly the time around 600 AD, till now have made us to big enemys, which is very pitty...since we could reach so much together, but for that we need to envolve respect...

If Kurds stop claiming that much and be honest towards Assyrians, so would be!


We people could learn so much from Jesus Christ (be peace up on him), unforutnataly we are all egoists...



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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Sun May 13, 2007 4:52 pm

Rumtaya wrote:Did you miss the part, where I said...Assyrians have been forced into muslim Turk/Kurdish families? or the part Assyrians were driven into desert?


Yeah I did, didnt you see me deny that in my earlier post?

I Know that, but how many people are you talking about?


4. The boarders dont represent our lands


Sorry I was going to draw Kurdistan from miditeranien see to far as urmia and from black sea to far as tirkit, but somehow this would not be the TRUTH!

Now use instead of Turks Kurds and instead of Kurds Assyrians....


So Assyrians have much more proof claiming those lands than kurds do you think??.. Well the way i see it, its the other way.

You are welcome!

Yeah, ive been waiting for your opinion forever, now i can finally stop.

The people are still there so it IS STILL...


I know they are, but nothing is impossible

If they managed to get the jews from Europe back to Palestina, why would they not be able to transfer anybody else..
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Mon May 14, 2007 10:35 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:Maybe we could divide that area into two equal halves with the southern being Assyrian and the Northern being Kurdish. How about that for a compromise?

You shouldn't simply force people against their will in acquiring an entire territory. That is what the Americans did to the Native populace that had lived in the United States. And we certainly cannot ignore a group of people and their wishes. What we should do is move the Kurds in that area into the Northern portion and move the Assyrians into the Southern Portion. This way both people are happy and an actual compromise is made. I learned this from playing Might and Magic VII.[/qoute]

What moving them in which part? Can you draw me a map so I can see what you mean!


Just draw a line dividing that area bounded between Kurdistan and Assyria into two equal halves.

Dont´t forget that the city of Mosul (anicent Nineveh), is the area where we have our bigges population at the moment!


Well If I knew where Nineveh stood in that area then I may know how to circle around it for the people that want it the most.

1. according to wiki 275.000 assyrians died during that genocide


Did you miss the part, where I said...Assyrians have been forced into muslim Turk/Kurdish families? or the part Assyrians were driven into desert?


4. The boarders dont represent our lands


Sorry I was going to draw Kurdistan from miditeranien see to far as urmia and from black sea to far as tirkit, but somehow this would not be the TRUTH!



5. Turks have no argument of why the country belongs to them more than kurds. Kurds deserve the lands as much as assyrians if not more


Now use instead of Turks Kurds and instead of Kurds Assyrians....

6. I think just like a turk? thx for letting me know


You are welcome!

7. It Was in northern mesopotamia


The people are still there so it IS STILL...


Hurrians are also a part of Northern mesopotamia. The Kurds are the descendents of Hurrians.

Quiet down guys.

I am quite certain we can reach a compromise.


For sure we can, respect Assyrians and their homeland and youll be respected by Assyrians....

I have no problem with Kurds, its the opposite also if arabs and israelis are semetic speaking people, Assyrians have more incommon with Kurds then anyother Nation/people around that area!

Unfortunataly the time around 600 AD, till now have made us to big enemys, which is very pitty...since we could reach so much together, but for that we need to envolve respect...

If Kurds stop claiming that much and be honest towards Assyrians, so would be!

We people could learn so much from Jesus Christ (be peace up on him), unforutnataly we are all egoists...



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