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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: orkhan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:05 am

Marie K. wrote:
zurderer wrote:orkhun so what make a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın and a turk from azerbeycan one nation?


there is almost no any turk in azerbaijan..

zurderer the kurd;
You say that , beceuse you want it
''Azeri'' is not a nation name, Azeris are a Turkic Peoples, even They are Oghuz Turk (Azerbiaj an iranian Azerbaijan)
Avustrian is not a nation name , They are germans...
Azerbaijan peoples are Turks.
Of course ,Their many culturel specialities are different than Turkey, but that s normal because They have lived under USSR control about 70 years.But They near Turkey then 1990's ,now
I know that you don't want that , But They are our brothers
Near %50 of Programs Brodcast on Azerbijan Televisions are Turkey's programs, at the present..The same language
There are Thausents Azerbaijani Students in Turkey
Azerbijan and Turkey diaspora associations united 2 years ago.

Turkey and Azerbijan; One nation , two states
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:30 pm

You have an impressive misknowledge of Middle East history, a pure Kemalist education as we see...
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: orkhan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:52 pm

Piling wrote:You have an impressive misknowledge of Middle East history, a pure Kemalist education as we see...

before Kemal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baku
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: orkhan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:19 am

Marie K. wrote:
zurderer wrote:orkhun so what make a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın and a turk from azerbeycan one nation?


there is almost no any turk in azerbaijan..

realy :)
an armenian says ''there is almost no any turk in azerbaijan''
Do you know that azerbijanis are oghuz Turks
do you know Oghuz?
click
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks

Also, We spaek in the same language...
sory , you don't want to listen that, but thats realty...
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:45 am

Turks ...From Vienna Gates to Central Asia...They are nightmare of the Kafirs...


I adore your signature ! We, Kafirs, by reading it, are shaken from head to feet... :lol: And after you are going to complain about separatism and "why no one love Turks ?" Btw people like you are certainly a nightmare for Armenians, Suryani and Kurds in Turkey, and probably for many Turks also...
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: orkhan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:32 am

Piling wrote:
Turks ...From Vienna Gates to Central Asia...They are nightmare of the Kafirs...


I adore your signature ! We, Kafirs, by reading it, are shaken from head to feet... :lol: And after you are going to complain about separatism and "why no one love Turks ?" Btw people like you are certainly a nightmare for Armenians, Suryani and Kurds in Turkey, and probably for many Turks also...


http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: Jaff Sassani » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:27 pm

Dear friends The Kurd are a nation not tribes But

The truth hurt. The Turk has used us Kurd for over five hundred years now. After the Salah al-Dīn Yusuf ibn Ayyub (Kurdish: Selah'edine Eyubi or Turkish: Selahaddin Eyyubi) (c. 1138-March 4, 1194) the Turk took over since then our people been friend to the Turk in all the war they did fight. When the father of the Turk Mustapha Kamal Ataturk betrayed our people after the World War I, what other alternative are there for our people in the region. The times are here we have to do some thing for our own survival.

We did not have problem with the Persian and other Aryan nations before the Islam concurred our country Sassanian Empire. The Arab Imperialist and their agent have created the problem between us and Persian and other Aryan nations the Shiitte Sayed families with Arab origin has to be blamed. The Turkish Imperialists are not honest by standard of our problem with the Persian and other Aryan they played evil part in it. With the unsolvable problem facing our nation with Turk now. We believe that the future of the Kurd have to be tied down with the Persian and other Aryan nations instead of the Turk. We are preaching the reform of the Islamic religion to get over fanatic ideology of the Sunni Islam and Shitte Islam so we and the Persian people and other Aryan people to have peace and Economic Union for future.

We don’t believe that the Kurd has any future with Turkish people in the region. After we get United with other Aryan nations then Turk will have respect for us other wise will be impossible for our people to have peace with Turk. The Turks are not going to change their mind peacefully and the Kurd does not have power to convince them for peaceful coexistences. The choice are here to join our people based on mutual respect and the formation of the Aryan Economic Union with each nation to be independent country like the nations in Europe.

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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: orkhan » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:08 am

first;
you must be a nation
after ...

''aryan economic'' :D
''The arians'' :)
mountain aryans :D
They talk about ''aryan union''

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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: Vladimir » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:27 pm

All nations are imagined and creations. Tribes/nations/religions/etc are all socio-political concepts. Therefore it´s safe to say that both the Kurdish nation and Turkish nation don´t exist as a ´static reality´.
The suppression of ethnic cultures and minority religious groups in attempting to forge a modern nation were not unique to Turkey but occurred in very similar ways in its European neighbours - Bruinessen.

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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: SinekSekiz » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:59 pm

Nation or tribe as a Turkish citizen I belive my goverment have done all they can.

In Turkey Kurds are not the only minorty. Therefore expect something more or less for them is not fair to any other.

We live in peace in our country. As a Republic of Turkey citizen a Kurdish has exactly the same right as a Turkish. We carry the same ID, we share the same national treashure. We have one vote per every indivudual over 18.

My point is I do not really understand why this is happening. We sheltered almost hundreds of thousends Kurts during the 1th Gulf War. And they calimed 30000 innocent people since 1984.

I would understand as nation or not a race would want to have their own country. But Kurts never had their own country. As Turks from Asia to Europe we had 16 country in last 5000 years. Thease lands in our hands since almost a Thousand year. If you cant live in same standarts as Turks do not blame Turks for it. If we chould have live these lands whitout any problems the extra budget sum of 500 billions $ Turkey spent on this problem would come back to us as hospitals, schools, salaries, roads, electrycity. etc...

Everybody Turk or Kurt is compalinign about same thing in eastern Anatholia. There is not enough job, social services or etc. The reason is the terror. How can you expect a business man to build a factory to your land if you gonna blow it up next day? How can you expect goverment to send teachers and doctors if you gonna kill them on strets.

I would understand if you asked for a country from the goverment with a public referandum or something. But you asked a goverment from a baby in his sleep, you asked for a country from a classful of kids, you asked for a country from police officers whom is on patrol to secure your life, you asked a country form doctors, teachers, firefighters...

We could have live in peace and improve or life style together but you asked something that we earned with our lives. Our flag.

I am not talking about all Kurds here. I am targeting the Seppearatist PKK terrorists. We learned long time ago if you want something from someone then you must give something to them. We gave these terrorist a life chance, citizenship, our respect and we shared what we have how we have in return we had bloodshed.

I really asked to everybody who comments against to Turkish goverment here. What you give to Kurdish people. Else then your evil wispers in the ear....
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:30 pm

You're trying to sound like you're the victim here - wich is the wrong way to view this matter...

You say we "asked" for your flag, and that we asked for a country from babies, police etc...


You say we should just ask for a public referandum - but are you blind? Everybody who dares say "I am Kurdish and I am from Kurdistan" DISAPPEARS or is MURDERED...


Wake up... You're living in a dream world... Life isn't as simple as you think it is... Kurds have been forced to Turkify for 84 years now - deported from their homes (6000 villages burnt down and razed) and their families have been murdered or imprisoned... There are even THOUSANDS of Turkish journalists in jail because they reported about the INJUSTICE of the Turkish state against Kurds...
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: SinekSekiz » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:59 pm

Diri wrote:You're trying to sound like you're the victim here - wich is the wrong way to view this matter...

You say we "asked" for your flag, and that we asked for a country from babies, police etc...


You say we should just ask for a public referandum - but are you blind? Everybody who dares say "I am Kurdish and I am from Kurdistan" DISAPPEARS or is MURDERED...


Wake up... You're living in a dream world... Life isn't as simple as you think it is... Kurds have been forced to Turkify for 84 years now - deported from their homes (6000 villages burnt down and razed) and they're families have been murdered or imprisoned... There are even THOUSANDS of Turkish journalists in jail because they reported about the INJUSTICE of the Turkish state against Kurds...


Please do not get me wrong. Perheps I was not clear when I say it but I was pointing to PKK not to all Kurdish citizens of Turkey. I am trying to make this point. If you fight for freedom you fight with soldiers you do not fight with civils. PKKs target is civils and tool is terror.

I am not saying Turks are victim. I am saying Republic of Turkey and every race lives in it is victims. More then half of our budget goes to military if we should not deal with terror or such we could have devolop our country better for everybody lives in it.

Nobody an I mean NOBODY in Turkey dissapears because they say they are Kurdish or Alevi, or any other religion. I borned and lived in Bursa but my family is originally from Tokat. Tokat is mostly populated by Alevis and Siis but our village or theirs lived in peace for almost hundreds of years. My grandfather used to tell me story of meetings and games with these villages before he died.

In my high school there was lots of Kurds and Daddas and some of them my friends. As I said before in my street I lived together with more kurts then Turks and this is Bursa.

Maybe tension is a little bit high on the eastern part of Turkey. I do not know because I personally did not live there. However you can not keep goverment responsible for it. Becasue east Turkey is PKK's high ground. Because of the geographic reasons (mountains and such) they prefere to stay there.

Terror does not effect just Turks in Turkey. It effects every race lives in it directly or indirectly. So I hope I made my point this time.
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: zurderer » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:16 pm

We live in peace in our country.


do we live in same country? Peace? Nah, unless Turkey state(not goverment) stop to pressure people(not only kurds but religious people, alevis, christians and other minorities.), we will not live in peace.

wake up body, If you do not see problems at Turkey, You do not find an answer to them.
So you repeat same words at last 80 year. Secularism, how happy I am turk. To reach civilized world bla bla bla.

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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: SinekSekiz » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:18 am

zurderer wrote:
We live in peace in our country.


do we live in same country? Peace? Nah, unless Turkey state(not goverment) stop to pressure people(not only kurds but religious people, alevis, christians and other minorities.), we will not live in peace.

wake up body, If you do not see problems at Turkey, You do not find an answer to them.
So you repeat same words at last 80 year. Secularism, how happy I am turk. To reach civilized world bla bla bla.


I do not have a problem and to be self-critic I had to add that wearing scarf should not be a problem. But it has ben symbolised somehow. So I hope we will sort this issue up and go back to bigger problems like EU membership or echonomic well being of the country.
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Re: is it kurdish ''nation'' or kurdish tribes ?

PostAuthor: zurderer » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:31 am

But it has ben symbolised somehow.

still repeating yourself? whatever. PKK is not our issue, It is a terrorist murderer organization but Turkey is our issue. It is our country. So mesayinin daha fazlasını ülkeni düzeltmeye harca, PKK zaten düzelir.

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