Are there Persians in Iran?

[oslonor]

She looked like people from Gilan and Mazandaran in northern Iran. She did not look like Turkoman or Arab.

[Diri]

She looked like people from Gilan and Mazandaran in northern Iran. She did not look like Turkoman or Arab.

Well... Talish or Gilak... Close to Azeris... You DO know that Azeris are GENETICALLY and ETHNICALLY not Turkish... Only thing "Turkish" about them - is their language...

[oslonor]

She looked like people from Gilan and Mazandaran in northern Iran. She did not look like Turkoman or Arab.

Well... Talish or Gilak... Close to Azeris... You DO know that Azeris are GENETICALLY and ETHNICALLY not Turkish... Only thing "Turkish" about them - is their language...

Gilani and Mazandarani are not Turks. They are Iranians. Azeris are Turks. Azeris actually claim that they are Kurds. But I do not think any Kurd accept that. You should check the slideshow to see how turks look like.

Azeri Turks %40 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 8250/show/

[Diri]

She looked like people from Gilan and Mazandaran in northern Iran. She did not look like Turkoman or Arab.

Well... Talish or Gilak... Close to Azeris... You DO know that Azeris are GENETICALLY and ETHNICALLY not Turkish... Only thing "Turkish" about them - is their language...

Gilani and Mazandarani are not Turks. They are Iranians. Azeris are Turks. Azeris actually claim that they are Kurds. But I do not think any Kurd accept that. You should check the slideshow to see how turks look like.

Azeri Turks %40 Iran
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N ... 8250/show/

Oslonor... Your agenda is well known... You are somebody who wants to promote Azeri Turkish policies...

Azeris don't claim that they are Kurds... Azeris and Kurds have had their share of wars and resent for eachother... Azeris are looked down upon by many Kurds - calling them "Ecem" ("Ajam") - strangers...

Look - you want to link the Azeris to the Turks... Sure - they have a lingustic link - many Turkish tribes and Mongol tribes invaded both Azerbaycan, Iran and Kurdistan - but the majority settled in Greek lands - Anatolia, Azerbaycan and Turkmenistan... Now - these have then assimilated the Greeks in Anatolia, the Azeris and Kurds in Azerbaycan and Kurdistan and Iran... There used to be a larger number of Georgians and other Caucasians - Armenians who roamed the lands in the north of todays "Azerbaycan Republic"... These too were assimilated...

Now I never said I like Azeris particularily - I have yet to meet an Azeri whom I will "like"...

And I am a proud Kurd and follower of Kurdayetî... I won't bow to Persian or Azeri subjugation - nor to Turkish or Arab... But what you are trying to do here is realy boring... Why don't you just openly state your intentions and your ideas? What is the practical side of all your policies?

So what is 40% of Iran is Azeri? Who cares? I don't... Neither do any other Kurds... We just want our self-determination... Be it regional (federalism) or national - independence...

[oslonor]

An indepenent Kurdish state in the region will weaken the Regime in Tehran and I think it is a great idea.

[Diri]

An indepenent Kurdish state in the region will weaken the Regime in Tehran and I think it is a great idea.

Well... Since everybody suspects you are an Azeri Turk or simply a Turk yourself - the rumours say that you want a Kurdish state just to support Azeri hegemony of Iran or their independence...

What is your take on that?

What is your idea of "An independent Kurdish state"? You only mean in Iranian (East) Kurdistan? Or in Turkey (North), Syria (West) and Iraq (South) Kurdistan too?

[oslonor]

An indepenent Kurdish state in the region will weaken the Regime in Tehran and I think it is a great idea.

Well... Since everybody suspects you are an Azeri Turk or simply a Turk yourself - the rumours say that you want a Kurdish state just to support Azeri hegemony of Iran or their independence...

What is your take on that?

What is your idea of "An independent Kurdish state"? You only mean in Iranian (East) Kurdistan? Or in Turkey (North), Syria (West) and Iraq (South) Kurdistan too?

You are just talking nonsense. This is the result of talking with Azeri Turk friends such as Mr. Arash. I think you are completely confused. So according to you, you are against an independent Kurdish state.

[Diri]

An indepenent Kurdish state in the region will weaken the Regime in Tehran and I think it is a great idea.

Well... Since everybody suspects you are an Azeri Turk or simply a Turk yourself - the rumours say that you want a Kurdish state just to support Azeri hegemony of Iran or their independence...

What is your take on that?

What is your idea of "An independent Kurdish state"? You only mean in Iranian (East) Kurdistan? Or in Turkey (North), Syria (West) and Iraq (South) Kurdistan too?

You are just talking nonsense. This is the result of talking with Azeri Turk friends such as Mr. Arash. I think you are completely confused. So according to you, you are against an independent Kurdish state.

Hahaha

No - I am NOT... I just want the CAT to come OUT OF THE BAG!

Just answer my questions, please:

What is your idea of "An independent Kurdish state"? You only mean in Iranian (East) Kurdistan? Or in Turkey (North), Syria (West) and Iraq (South) Kurdistan too?

And if you don't wanna share with us what you feel about being accused of trying to "weaken Iran", then that's fine with me...

I for one am interested in a weak Iran (Central Government)... I want at the VERY LEAST: Federal Iranian Kurdistan - and if possible, an INDEPENDENT KURDISTAN!

[womanizer]

Dear Friends ;
Here is also my Idea..
Ultimate and Fully Kurdistan Independent, nothing more, nothing less.
those fake and and oppressive countries so called Iran, Turkey ,Syria, who been hijacking Kurdish nation for last 100 years in any way you think of it, with killing oppressing, denying, even they stolen Kurdish history, languge,food, anything you can think of it, (irani falg still have Medes colors, it is a Kurdish colors), they done everything they could to finish Kurds and leave may be just a word or a some empty physical body display(brain washed person who fully integrated and assimilated to system) do you really think federal system would work in such nation mentality who been sucking Kurdish blood and other small nation as well?. my answer is No , that would never work, simple example is in IRAQ, Arab IRAQ would never accept South Kurdistan Federal Systems, only power of Peşmerge, as well as tough Kurdish leadership keep them away for time been,
mistake and injustice of the past have to be corrected once for all, and I would say gain, nothing less but fully independent of my beloved homeland ,Kurdistan, if some Kurdish friends have different view I respects that, as long they agree that with through peace full referendum in all part of Kurdistan to be asked Kurdish nation do they want Federalism, or free and intendment Kurdistan where all parts intact , surely I am confident if such fair referendum take place. as they did in southern Kurdistan

This Iran things is brainwashed some fallow Kurds, It is a disease, whole history is misleading , all it has been written so called Iranic, is just is based of Persian cultural and linguistic domination which they work so hard ,they did scripted well .
My friends say Yes to :
Free and Independent Kurdistan with Amed(Diyarbakir) as It’s Capital!!!

[oslonor]

Dear Friends ;
Here is also my Idea..
Ultimate and Fully Kurdistan Independent, nothing more, nothing less.
those fake and and oppressive countries so called Iran, Turkey ,Syria, who been hijacking Kurdish nation for last 100 years in any way you think of it, with killing oppressing, denying, even they stolen Kurdish history, languge,food, anything you can think of it, (irani falg still have Medes colors, it is a Kurdish colors), they done everything they could to finish Kurds and leave may be just a word or a some empty physical body display(brain washed person who fully integrated and assimilated to system) do you really think federal system would work in such nation mentality who been sucking Kurdish blood and other small nation as well?. my answer is No , that would never work, simple example is in IRAQ, Arab IRAQ would never accept South Kurdistan Federal Systems, only power of Peşmerge, as well as tough Kurdish leadership keep them away for time been,
mistake and injustice of the past have to be corrected once for all, and I would say gain, nothing less but fully independent of my beloved homeland ,Kurdistan, if some Kurdish friends have different view I respects that, as long they agree that with through peace full referendum in all part of Kurdistan to be asked Kurdish nation do they want Federalism, or free and intendment Kurdistan where all parts intact , surely I am confident if such fair referendum take place. as they did in southern Kurdistan

This Iran things is brainwashed some fallow Kurds, It is a disease, whole history is misleading , all it has been written so called Iranic, is just is based of Persian cultural and linguistic domination which they work so hard ,they did scripted well .
My friends say Yes to :
Free and Independent Kurdistan with Amed(Diyarbakir) as It’s Capital!!!

I completely agree. Yes. Independent Kurdish State.

[Diri]

It's not that I don't agree with what you've said about an Independent Kurdistan... I am not trying to provok you, just trying to point out some weaknesses.

There are several flaws to your way of presenting your ideas and your way of advocating them.

You always seem to put down "absolut"'s (="either this way or that way") which is very wrong thing to do - one should always have second and third options ready. Furthermore, your presentation of ideas is very naiv. You don't think "real politiks" - which you should. Let me explain what I mean with "naiv":

Everybody wants to see an independent Kurdistan, all Kurds do. But there is no way something on that scale will happen without taking things "step by step" - which means from "Kurds don't exists" to "Kurds are a minority in Turkey/Iran/Syria/Iraq". The next step would be to demand autonomy since Kurdistan, as it is known, is a place where the majority of the people are Kurds. Hence: KURDistan.
After having gained this autonomy, or federal structure, we would be in a position to build up our resources and prepare ourselves for bigger demands. With peace in the region, it will be much more easy to advocate our demands. So at this point, we must silence our guns (but not put them away for good) - and lay them aside for the time being.

Gradually - after a couple of years of autonomy, pride in Kurdayetî will excell, the assimilation process may to an extent be reversed, publications in Kurdish, education in Kurdish and political parties open stating their Kurdish identity etc. will all lead to a cultural reneissance which will even further strenghten Kurdayetî (Kurdishness). At this point, with a strong internationally recognized Kurdish identity - the time would be ripe for demanding referandums to be held across Kurdistan.

I could go into detail about this process, but see no point, as I don't intend on giving a lecture...

So I say: We cannot be dreamy and naiv, thinking Kurdistan will suddenly shoot up from the earth as a country with capital in Amed. Nobody would accept that, just the poor, oppressed Kurd.

We could work for an independent Kurdistan gradually, but steps taken in haste will only lead to stronger measures by Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq to prevent our seccession...

In my oppinion, a future independent and united Kurdistan will be built on a Federal structure...

[womanizer]

Diri Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

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It's not that I don't agree with what you've said about an Independent Kurdistan... I am not trying to provok you, just trying to point out some weaknesses.

There are several flaws to your way of presenting your ideas and your way of advocating them.

You always seem to put down "absolut"'s (="either this way or that way") which is very wrong thing to do - one should always have second and third options ready. Furthermore, your presentation of ideas is very naiv. You don't think "real politiks" - which you should. Let me explain what I mean with "naiv":

Everybody wants to see an independent Kurdistan, all Kurds do. But there is no way something on that scale will happen without taking things "step by step" - which means from "Kurds don't exists" to "Kurds are a minority in Turkey/Iran/Syria/Iraq". The next step would be to demand autonomy since Kurdistan, as it is known, is a place where the majority of the people are Kurds. Hence: KURDistan.
After having gained this autonomy, or federal structure, we would be in a position to build up our resources and prepare ourselves for bigger demands. With peace in the region, it will be much more easy to advocate our demands. So at this point, we must silence our guns (but not put them away for good) - and lay them aside for the time being.

Gradually - after a couple of years of autonomy, pride in Kurdayetî will excell, the assimilation process may to an extent be reversed, publications in Kurdish, education in Kurdish and political parties open stating their Kurdish identity etc. will all lead to a cultural reneissance which will even further strenghten Kurdayetî (Kurdishness). At this point, with a strong internationally recognized Kurdish identity - the time would be ripe for demanding referandums to be held across Kurdistan.

I could go into detail about this process, but see no point, as I don't intend on giving a lecture...

So I say: We cannot be dreamy and naiv, thinking Kurdistan will suddenly shoot up from the earth as a country with capital in Amed. Nobody would accept that, just the poor, oppressed Kurd.

We could work for an independent Kurdistan gradually, but steps taken in haste will only lead to stronger measures by Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq to prevent our seccession...

In my oppinion, a future independent and united Kurdistan will be built on a Federal structure...

This is very wired, you have problems my friend, real mental problem .
cant you see what I had said from very the beginning " Here is also my Idea.. "
you call me “navi “ you don’t know even what you talking about, you analyzing my way thinking, that is stupid things to do, that seems is like too much personal? are in some kind pain!! what is wrong with you, your whole story doesn’t make sense.
You cant lecture, as i have told you before i am simply more educateed than you, more Kurdish than you ..What is all this, telling me how politics runs..blah blah..man you sound like little kid. simply you don’t like peoples who critising your mistake, you self arrogant. and you want to go on and on, I grow up in English country dude I know what navi means, I have PHD degree, and i done more for Kurdistan than ever you can imagine. so you go on and continue ,,
what you have state is simply your idea, so don’t enforce your idea on my, , it is misbelieve and many Kurds. It will stay way it is, you don’t like it, It is your problem,
I am sure you having some life difficulty, you don’t seem normal at all .you don’t know the different between opinions and and policy making mechanism, so just cut paste my words gain
and end up with Red writing with desperation attempted
I really questioning your normality and furthermore if you are after all a genuine Kurdish, so go head blow up again, cut and past it…
you sick dude!! Write in red again

[Diri]

Diri Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

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It's not that I don't agree with what you've said about an Independent Kurdistan... I am not trying to provok you, just trying to point out some weaknesses.

There are several flaws to your way of presenting your ideas and your way of advocating them.

You always seem to put down "absolut"'s (="either this way or that way") which is very wrong thing to do - one should always have second and third options ready. Furthermore, your presentation of ideas is very naiv. You don't think "real politiks" - which you should. Let me explain what I mean with "naiv":

Everybody wants to see an independent Kurdistan, all Kurds do. But there is no way something on that scale will happen without taking things "step by step" - which means from "Kurds don't exists" to "Kurds are a minority in Turkey/Iran/Syria/Iraq". The next step would be to demand autonomy since Kurdistan, as it is known, is a place where the majority of the people are Kurds. Hence: KURDistan.
After having gained this autonomy, or federal structure, we would be in a position to build up our resources and prepare ourselves for bigger demands. With peace in the region, it will be much more easy to advocate our demands. So at this point, we must silence our guns (but not put them away for good) - and lay them aside for the time being.

Gradually - after a couple of years of autonomy, pride in Kurdayetî will excell, the assimilation process may to an extent be reversed, publications in Kurdish, education in Kurdish and political parties open stating their Kurdish identity etc. will all lead to a cultural reneissance which will even further strenghten Kurdayetî (Kurdishness). At this point, with a strong internationally recognized Kurdish identity - the time would be ripe for demanding referandums to be held across Kurdistan.

I could go into detail about this process, but see no point, as I don't intend on giving a lecture...

So I say: We cannot be dreamy and naiv, thinking Kurdistan will suddenly shoot up from the earth as a country with capital in Amed. Nobody would accept that, just the poor, oppressed Kurd.

We could work for an independent Kurdistan gradually, but steps taken in haste will only lead to stronger measures by Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq to prevent our seccession...

In my oppinion, a future independent and united Kurdistan will be built on a Federal structure...

This is very wired, you have problems my friend, real mental problem .
cant you see what I had said from very the beginning " Here is also my Idea.. "
you call me “navi “ you don’t know even what you talking about, you analyzing my way thinking, that is stupid things to do, that seems is like too much personal? are in some kind pain!! what is wrong with you, your whole story doesn’t make sense.
You cant lecture, as i have told you before i am simply more educateed than you, more Kurdish than you ..What is all this, telling me how politics runs..blah blah..man you sound like little kid. simply you don’t like peoples who critising your mistake, you self arrogant. and you want to go on and on, I grow up in English country dude I know what navi means, I have PHD degree, and i done more for Kurdistan than ever you can imagine. so you go on and continue ,,
what you have state is simply your idea, so don’t enforce your idea on my, , it is misbelieve and many Kurds. It will stay way it is, you don’t like it, It is your problem,
I am sure you having some life difficulty, you don’t seem normal at all .you don’t know the different between opinions and and policy making mechanism, so just cut paste my words gain
and end up with Red writing with desperation attempted
I really questioning your normality and furthermore if you are after all a genuine Kurdish, so go head blow up again, cut and past it…
you sick dude!! Write in red again

I was simply giving my oppinion on the matter. And I am surprised by your reply. I wasn't expecting that you would take it so personally. Afterall - if you had been more professional, you would have dealt with it more professionally. You have a PHD? Excuse me while I laugh...

You are more Kurdish than me? Excuse me while I laugh, yet again... What is the reason this time? Last time it was because you have blue eyes... What is the reason this time?

Oh and don't worry... I won't do anything with you or your posts...

I will let our fair-minded readers decide who and what is wrong...

[womanizer]

@Diri
opinion, what opinions dude!! you analyzing my opinions, when analyzing some one calling someone “naiv” based of their opinion, is very stupid and personal. you have to know and learn how to respect others opinions, what you write totally was wrong, and personal
Yes I am true Kurdish Blue and real Kurdish, !!!And I do have PHD in engineering filed, I just cant tell who I am, most Kurds know me and I have earned respect for my country long time ago, be sure when times come I will tell you who I am? And further more yes, keep insulting me laugh, I haven’t any problem with that as I have state you having problems, honestly you should see a consular .

[Diri]

@Diri
opinion, what opinions dude!! you analyzing my opinions, when analyzing some one calling someone “naiv” based of their opinion, is very stupid and personal. you have to know and learn how to respect others opinions, what you write totally was wrong, and personal
Yes I am true Kurdish Blue and real Kurdish, !!!And I do have PHD in engineering filed, I just cant tell who I am, most Kurds know me and I have earned respect for my country long time ago, be sure when times come I will tell you who I am? And further more yes, keep insulting me laugh, I haven’t any problem with that as I have state you having problems, honestly you should see a consular .

A PHD in engineering...

Okey...

Actually - I stated my oppinion, you are the one who lacks respect...