Retort to objections of Kurdistan weather forecast map

[Anthea]

Rudaw TV’s use of a Kurdistan map in its daily weather forecast has caused uproar in Turkey and among Iran’s Azeri community, calling it a threat to their land.



“Many others have used this map in the past and created places as they wished,” said Turkish Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz to the Turkish media. “But they will get nowhere with that.”

In the past four months, Rudaw TV has used the map of what many Kurds call Greater Kurdistan. It encompasses the Kurdish regions of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria that stretch to the Mediterranean coast.

Turkey’s Hurryiet and Milliyet newspapers have described Rudaw TV’s map of Kurdistan as a “scandal”.

“We will not take that issue seriously and no one believes in that map,” said the Turkish defense minister.

However, Rudaw director general, Ako Mohammed said that the map used by Rudaw TV forecast section has been in use for years.

“That map has been drawn by experts on Kurdish history and geography and it has been published for many years,” said Mohammed. “We are now using it to tell the weather in the major Kurdish cities.”

Mohammed defended the use of the particular map, saying, “That map is in the mind and heart of every Kurd,”

“But it doesn’t reflect any formal or government position,” he added. “Rudaw doesn’t mean to hurt any other nation. Rudaw works professionally and professionalism crosses all borders.”

Meanwhile Araz News, the website of Azerbaijan National Resistance Front of Iran has called the Rudaw forecast map “A threat to the people of West Azerbaijan.”

“Under the pretext of weather forecast this TV [Rudaw] shows a map that identifies Urumiyeh and all other cities in West Azerbaijan as Kurdish cities,” said the website in an article.

West Azerbaijan is a province in western Iran with a considerable Azeri-speaking population. However, Kurds claim to be the majority in the province, with Urumiyeh [Wirme] as their largest city.

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/15122013

[Anthea]

This type of brazen mind set of people criticizing the usage of the map - weather condition for all the people in the region; it is grim at its best, and it is regrettable at its worst with such myopic views. They are intolerant of intolerance, they are in the state of denial of the Kurdish history, they want us to deny our heritage, and deny our history, they have no sense of camaraderie for this region, claim our land for them.



This map has been drawn by non partisan experts on Kurdish history and ethnography. “Azerbaijan National Resistance Front”, who objected to the Weather forecast map, they should visit to fortress of “Dimdim” which is on the northeast of Urmiyeh city, in the early 17th century was a battle ground from 1609 to 1610 between the Kurdish forces and Safavid forces – “Shah Abbas 1” – which massacred thousands of people and deported thousands of people to the other areas; resettled Turkic Afshar tribe in the area. “Turkey‘s Hurryiet and Milliyet newspapers have described Rudaw TV ‘s map of Kurdistan as a scandal”; “not to fear but fear itself”, the real scandal is when a person‘s unalienable rights taken away including the mother‘s language, etc...

Why they are on status of paranoia, when they see the map, because the guilt and injustice come to play. They fathom all good things for themselves and good history belongs to them, just like shamelessly they claim that the Medieval Kurdish scholar/author Sharaf Khan Bidlisi is a Turkic origin. They called internationally well respected late Nelson Mandela an insolent, because this iconic man, the human right defender‘s conviction disagreed with the Turkish policy toward the Kurds.

Just like some Arab chauvinists’ narrating Salahadin Ayyubi is an Arab. The current Turkish Prime Minister visited to Germany and he said “assimilation is crime against humanity” of course, he was referencing to the defense of the Turks living in Germany and other parts of Europe; as economic migrants. Double standards,www.Ekurd.net while over 20 millions Kurds living a part of Turkey on their ancestral land prior to Mongols invaded Anatolia, they have been subjected all kinds of mistreatment depriving them from the basic universal human rights including assimilation for generations.

In order to counterbalance, this kind of belligerent vision and this kind of menace behaviors, the Kurdish people need a cohesive political unity. The people of this region are doomed to a future of bane, particularly the Kurds living inside imposed borders.

They disclaim offspring of by product of Mongol invaders’ of Asia Minor, who destroyed everything in their path, including, but not limited to, burning scientific books, destroying Libraries, killing scientists; ever since, the Middle East has not recovered to its fullest potentials.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... ey4887.htm

[Shirko]

Wish I had the email address of ever Azery and Turk, so I can spam them everyday with email messages containing pics of the Kurdistan map

Btw, seems that the Azeris want to open their mouths now and complain, while they are illegali occupying Kurdustan too.

Thumbs up to Rudaw for using the map, which makes sense if they are covering weather forcecast of the Kurdish areas.

[Ozgur]

That map is beyond pathetic, and you know it.
You won't make a lot of friends in this region if you keep having this expansionist policy into non-Kurdish territories.

[Anthea]

That map is beyond pathetic, and you know it.
You won't make a lot of friends in this region if you keep having this expansionist policy into non-Kurdish territories.

Actually - speaking personally - this map is almost identical to the map of Kurdistan I have hanging on my wall - a map that includes all the place names in their original KURDISH - a map that was produced by experts who spent many years examining ancient maps and texts - the only difference being that my map does not go down as far as the Persian Gulf - other than that this map is excellent - though needs to expand into Anatolia more

I very much doubt that you have studied to the extent those who have produced both this map - and the one I have - mine was given to me over 10 years ago - ongoing research explains the more recent beliefs that Kurds had access to the Persian Gulf

I imagine that you are just one of the many unfortunately misinformed young Turks - sad but you probably need to study a great deal more - you will discover that Kurdish territory extended further west into Anatolia than is depicted on this maps - Turks pushed the Kurds out of central Turkey - they went on a forced march during which time many hundreds of thousands died

[Shirko]

That map is beyond pathetic, and you know it.
You won't make a lot of friends in this region if you keep having this expansionist policy into non-Kurdish territories.

Can you show me one non Kurdush area on the map? That has to be an area thatvduesbt have any Kyrss and never did. And what area are considered exoaniosist the most to you? The areas down south around the Gulf or up north in central Anatolia?

[Ozgur]

Actually - speaking personally - this map is almost identical to the map of Kurdistan I have hanging on my wall - a map that includes all the place names in their original KURDISH

We have a saying in Turkey; hayal kurmak bedava (dreaming is for free).

Can you show me one non Kurdush area on the map? That has to be an area thatvduesbt have any Kyrss and never did. And what area are considered exoaniosist the most to you? The areas down south around the Gulf or up north in central Anatolia?

This map is nothing but purely an expansionist vision of blind Kurdish nationalism. Both the territorial claims on Basra region and the Azeri lands in Iran, and central Anatolia are laughable and absurd claims. There are hardly any Kurds living in those lands. Take Anatolia for example; since when Hatay, Adana, Mersin, Antep, Sivas, Kayseri, Erzurum or Erzincan have become Kurdish? Not even historically these cities have ever been Kurdish or populated by Kurdish-majority population at any time in history. These are like Turkish strongholds in Anatolia, mostly populated by conservative ring-wing Turks.

I know it's impossible for me to convince you on certain matters (as it's with every nationalist), but I've studied history extensively, and I can tell you the Kurdish presence in Anatolia was the result of Ottoman settlement policy. After the Battle Chaldiran in 1514, the Ottoman Sultan Selim I forced many Shah-sympathizing Shia Turkomans out of eastern Anatolia into Iran and many Kurds living in Iraq and Iran (who were Sunni) were re-settled into those regions. It was kind of a population exchange. This was an ideological war, the Kurds shifted their allegiance from Safavid Shahs to Ottoman Sultans from that day onwards and the Turkomans joined up with the Shah (who was a Turk himself). Why do you think the population of Iran is 30% Azeri Turkish today? Because they were expelled due their Shiasm, and the lands that were emptied were re-filled by the Sunni Kurds. An empty land does not generate any income for the empire. Prior to this Safavi-Ottoman wars, the Kurds in Anatolia were merely around Hakkari, Sirnak region, with most of the population located in Iraq and western Iran. You have to read and learn history from history books, not from some nonsense written by a blind nationalist.

[Anthea]

Internationally renowned experts compiled my map - NOT Kurdish nationalists - but Ozgur read a history book - would that history book have been written in TURKISH and compiled by TURKS

[Shirko]

Actually - speaking personally - this map is almost identical to the map of Kurdistan I have hanging on my wall - a map that includes all the place names in their original KURDISH

We have a saying in Turkey; hayal kurmak bedava (dreaming is for free).

Can you show me one non Kurdush area on the map? That has to be an area thatvduesbt have any Kyrss and never did. And what area are considered exoaniosist the most to you? The areas down south around the Gulf or up north in central Anatolia?



This map is nothing but purely an expansionist vision of blind Kurdish nationalism. Both the territorial claims on Basra region and the Azeri lands in Iran, and central Anatolia are laughable and absurd claims. There are hardly any Kurds living in those lands. Take Anatolia for example; since when Hatay, Adana, Mersin, Antep, Sivas, Kayseri, Erzurum or Erzincan have become Kurdish? Not even historically these cities have ever been Kurdish or populated by Kurdish-majority population at any time in history. These are like Turkish strongholds in Anatolia, mostly populated by conservative ring-wing Turks.

I know it's impossible for me to convince you on certain matters (as it's with every nationalist), but I've studied history extensively, and I can tell you the Kurdish presence in Anatolia was the result of Ottoman settlement policy. After the Battle Chaldiran in 1514, the Ottoman Sultan Selim I forced many Shah-sympathizing Shia Turkomans out of eastern Anatolia into Iran and many Kurds living in Iraq and Iran (who were Sunni) were re-settled into those regions. It was kind of a population exchange. This was an ideological war, the Kurds shifted their allegiance from Safavid Shahs to Ottoman Sultans from that day onwards and the Turkomans joined up with the Shah (who was a Turk himself). Why do you think the population of Iran is 30% Azeri Turkish today? Because they were expelled due their Shiasm, and the lands that were emptied were re-filled by the Sunni Kurds. An empty land does not generate any income for the empire. Prior to this Safavi-Ottoman wars, the Kurds in Anatolia were merely around Hakkari, Sirnak region, with most of the population located in Iraq and western Iran. You have to read and learn history from history books, not from some nonsense written by a blind nationalist.

Sure there has been been population transfers, I am not arguing that. The map is of greater Kurdistan, in areas of expansion. And in ancient times, some of our ancestors, the Hurrians ruled ruled all those areas.

[Anthea]

The Hattî´s/Hattians "Incoming - have come (Gods)"

Kurdish History- Kurdish Luwian-Hittite (Median/Medes) language

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That must very good to know, the Kurds have self-nature religion is the sun and fire culture...and here we see the Kurds in Anatolia - Kurdish Hattuşa (Hittites or Hatti/Hattu) Sun lesson of kurds!!! "- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, the name of the great king turned to its Kurdish name?

- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, prayers were made in Kurdish?
- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, why they were singing in Kurdish?
- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, the gods had their names Kurdish?" Akademîya Selahaddîn Mihotulî /Civilizations of Aryan Kurds (Book)

The Arîyan´s Tribes, beginning with the year Mazeolitic, the homeland of Zagros region around in the waves propagate down to the plain of MezraBotan (Mesopotamia), to Anatolia through Syria into an arm to move towards the north. This new geography "land of Hatti (arrivals country)," they said. The Land of Hatti, like a small city-states formed in the Zagrosi homeland. The Nesha, Hattusha, Datasha, Zelpa, Kanish etc. a few of them.

The king Anita BC 1800 in years, taking the Neşa´s began to provide the unity of the principalities. City of Hattusha ( Today in the near Corum), provide excellence in the capital, Hittite (-Hattî) association was founded. The boundaries of the Aegean Region up to the Taurus Mountains to the Black Mountains to the Euphrates have increases. Ancient ancestors of the Kurds in Hittite (-Hattî) Some of kings: Hattushil,Tuthalya, Murshil,Suppiluliema (see the notes for the full name of this king in Kurdish) the names of the bore. These kings go in summer campaign and in the winter they come to the capital of Hattusha made the necessary arrangements for the country. The actions of one year, yearbook SALNAME (not calendar) name their tablet writers yearbooks.

The Hittite (-line) s made the greatest war with Egypt made Kadesh war. BC 1295 defeated in this war, which was not given. for the first time in history, a written agreement (3300 years old) out. The Hittite (-Hattî) kingdoms the growth of the empire after we see some antique returned to the palace. In particular, the various intrigues queens murders and murders began to multiply.therefore, there was vulnerability management. In the meantime, a great migration west to the land of Hatti has started to fill up. They are like the waves of tsunami destroying everything they bring to the front progressed.

All civilizations have been destroyed in their country of Hatti. BC1200 (1190) in the Hittite (-Hattî) s values ​​were burned and destroyed all of the seizure of the capital in Hattusha. These wild herds, the gold, silver, stone and ceramic objects did not know the value of such treasures While looting failed to not cause much more damage. specifically for written tablets, without much damage fires have survived to this day. who was referred to this migration in history, Trako-Phrygian?

These can then, we learned the names and Even the ancestors in Gayastan (Armenia), including Trako-Tuna (Trako-Gayasten (Armenia)) called from the Balkans to Hittite country filled with predatory, marauding herds of balkans descent. This flood before fled to the East the land of Hatti people moved from the western Kurdistan. Later again organized around small kingdoms emerged as principalities. The major ones are: Kurdish Urartu (greatest kingdom at that time), Kargamêsh (in the near Anytap), Maladiya (in near Malatya), Gurgum (in near Mara-rash) Que (in the near Qamuşlu), Tabal (near Kayseri), Hattina (In the near Hatay. Karatepe (original name is unknown, in dear adana). All these kurdish kingdoms of Hittite (-hatti) is a great tradition of the kingdom and with the form of cultural lived with 300-400 years. the Assyrian (Semitic) blood drinker management these kingdoms destroyed one by one.Hittite center (online) in the Empire (The Ankara environments) also known as Phrygians even now the Armenian connected Phrygian nation was founded.

The Hittite (online) s founded the civilization in the period of three great civilizations (Hittites-Hattî, the Egypt, the Sumer) was one of the. Even slaves had the right to written law! Unlike the laws of the Semites, like a tooth for a tooth kill and compensation for injury would be carried out.Even though society were matriarchal for the father have also focused on women with the law, they were protected. Even the first time in history Hittite (-Hattî) treaty of Kadesh used to seal the kurdish Queen of the palace.Hattisociety close to the modern lifestyle of the Kurdish community had a way of life. Hittite (-line) s under Land of Hatti (Anatolia) Mittanis,Luwian, Hurrians, etc..were had. the all of them are Aryan tribes were each other so with kinship of Kurdish peoples. Is the largest public after Hittite were the Kurdish Hurri-Mittanis. This is referred to with different names cited, peoples languages,is today's dialects of Kurdish dialects of the same language as the sequences were very close..

[Anthea]

SORRY I cannot understand Turkish - these videos produced in association with that well known Kurdish nationalist organisation - The Istanbul Stock Exchange - refer to The Kurdish Hittites / Kürt Hititler in anatolia Kurdistan - the start of the second video shows the Httites spreading throughout the whole of Turkey

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[Anthea]

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[Ozgur]

@Anthea, how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

Sure there has been been population transfers, I am not arguing that. The map is of greater Kurdistan, in areas of expansion. And in ancient times, some of our ancestors, the Hurrians ruled ruled all those areas.

Doesn't matter what your ancestors ruled in the past, it's all history now. If we follow your logic, the Turks should be running a country spanning from central Asia all the way to central Europe.
And it's beyond pathetic to claim that the Hittites were Kurds. You sound like some of those Turkish fascists who claim that the Trojans and Lydians were in fact Turks. Do you now realise how idiotic it all sounds?

[Anthea]

@Anthea, how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

A lot older and a great deal wiser than you little boy