Turkish vision: The truth about Kurds and the PKK

[Vladimir]

The Truth About Kurds and the PKK
by SOPnewswire
Posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago

Kurds live in Iran, Irak, Syria and Turkey mostly. The Kurdish spoken in one country is hardly understood in the other. Even Kurdish spoken in one village, is not understood in the next village. The writing of Kurdish was first invented by Kurds who found their ways to Europe some 30 years ago. Prior to this, Kurdish had no writing. Kurds never had a state in the history either. PKK is the name of the terrorist group which demands autonomy for Kurds in Turkey. Kurds live everywhere in Turkey, like all other minorities: e.g. Arabs, Assyrians, Armenians, Greeks, Turkmens, Yoruks, Xerxes, immigrants from Balkan countries- Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania etc. Everyone has equal rights in Turkey. One sees Kurds in every profession and occupation - from industrial work to film directing, from medicine to law, politics, military; from teaching to agriculture. No one is discriminated in Turkey on racial or ethnical grounds.

What does PKK want then?

PKK is an instrument supported by foreign powers which desire the division of Turkey- an enormously strategic land rich in many natural resources. PKK is also No.1 in narcotics smuggling in Europe as Interpol can confirm. PKK DOES NOT REPRESENT THE KURDS IN TURKEY. There is a PKK supported political party in Turkey: DTP which has 2,6% votes only in the Turkish Parliament. It does not represent more than 5% of the Kurds in Turkey. With this 2,6% foothold in the Turkish Parliament PKK wants to change the Charter of The Turkish Republic, wants to divide Turkey!

Kurds in Turkey want to continue living under the Turkish Government. They do not want a seperate State. Turkey, like the U.S.A, has many ethnic groups. Land can not be allocated for the ethnic groups, who live anyway everywhere in Turkey. To win its own people to its own side, PKK has been terrorizing Kurds, its own people. PKK has been terrorizing entire Turkey for the past 25 years with bombs and land mines and has caused the death of some 37.000 people.
Turks, Kurds and no other minority in Turkey, incl. the roughly 22 million per year tourists want terrorism or PKK. PKK has been classified there as a terrorist organisation by Turkey, EU and U.S.A. ... Turkey does not have enough resources to fill the gaps in the Turkish State schools. Many teaching positions in Turkish- the national language- are missing.

Ninety universities in Turkey are producing professionals to reach the demands of 70 million inhabitants of Turkey. When the time comes and Turkey has the resources - financial and intellectual- and after the schools have all the teachers they need in the national language, Turkey of course would serve the needs of Kurds to obtain education also in their own language, the writing for which has only recently been invented in Europe.

Turkey has nothing against Kurds whatsoever. Had it been so, Turkey would not give refuge to half a million Kurds who fled Irak because of Saddam. Turkey supplied tents, food, medicine and health care to half a million Kurds who fled from Irak to SW Turkey for over a year, when her own citizens do not have sufficient welfare! --- Europe, in an effort to divide Turkey, supported PKK terrorists and gave them refuge in various European countries.
Turkey is demanding from EU countries all criminals to be returned to Turkey under the international agreement, but EU is refusing to do this, clearly supporting the terrorist organisation PKK, although it has declared PKK as a terrorist organisation.

Turkey's attacks to liquidate PKK camps in northern Irak are only intended for the self-protection of Turkey and is in no way intended as a breach of any international law or against Irak. This is why USA is supplying intelligence to Turkey in liquidating these PKK terrorist camps.

Source: Newswire

[Parzin]

Vlad my dear....which propaganda web site did this come from?

PKK is an instrument supported by foreign powers which desire the division of Turkey- an enormously strategic land rich in many natural resources. PKK is also No.1 in narcotics smuggling in Europe as Interpol can confirm. PKK DOES NOT REPRESENT THE KURDS IN TURKEY. There is a PKK supported political party in Turkey: DTP which has 2,6% votes only in the Turkish Parliament. It does not represent more than 5% of the Kurds in Turkey. With this 2,6% foothold in the Turkish Parliament PKK wants to change the Charter of The Turkish Republic, wants to divide Turkey!

So exactly which foreign powers want to divide Turkey?

Kurds in Turkey want to continue living under the Turkish Government. They do not want a seperate State

Really ? where is the evidence????

Turkey, like the U.S.A, has many ethnic groups. Land can not be allocated for the ethnic groups, who live anyway everywhere in Turkey.

As an American Kurd...I want to say: stop...There is no direct correlation between USA and Turkey...Unless Turkey decides to give blankets to all the Non_Turks and kills them off as was the case between the white settlers and the Native Americans....Really honestly...this is so absurd, I am not upset at all, just laughing at it

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Turkey has nothing against Kurds whatsoever. Had it been so, Turkey would not give refuge to half a million Kurds who fled Irak because of Saddam. Turkey supplied tents, food, medicine and health care to half a million Kurds who fled from Irak to SW Turkey for over a year, when her own citizens do not have sufficient welfare! ---

Let me tell you what happened when we the Kurds from Northern Iraq were running away from chemical gases, bullets, cannon balls, plane bombs and no water for days on end and forget food...........we get to Turkey...Turkey turns us away. The only reason we were in Turkey, my dear, is because the International Community got involved and as part " " of the International Community, Turkey was forced to take us in to save its face. Once we were inside Turkey, we were caged up like wild animals, poisoned on many different occasion, with no water supplies and limited food resources upon which to live. Oh yes, and let me tell you...what the government did not tell you and this article neatly omits...in the space of the few years we were there...should anyone of us behave like the wild monkeys that were, the "Janderma" opened fire on the whole camp..killing innocent bystanders and grazing the head of yours truly. Oh, but I forget, animals have no rights and as Kurds that is what we were perceived to be.


Please tell me you do not support this propaganda and this BS? I am by no means a political person, nor do I think separation is the answer...but some people should at least have the balls and say the truth when it comes to it. Turkey never took any food out of the mouthes of its inhabitants to give to us, we were fed because someone paid the country to keep us and feed us and Turkey took us in for its own selfish reasons...

[Vladimir]

Vlad my dear....which propaganda web site did this come from?

This website, but a Kurd posted an article by Anthony DiMaggio: http://www.thesop.org/index.php?id=8944

[missIndependent]

unfortunately it's not a propaganda.. it was in almost any PDKI websites as well.
yet can't be so sure.

[Parzin]

As I surmised.
What do you think about it? do you think there is any grounds for the argument? Does it seem to selling anything of sound mind and reasonable thought to you?

[Vladimir]

As I surmised.
What do you think about it? do you think there is any grounds for the argument? Does it seem to selling anything of sound mind and reasonable thought to you?

I don't support this view, but I think it's interesting discuss how Turks see the "Kurdish question". I think the author is making a mistake by saying Kurds didn't have a state and cannot understand each other. I thought he was only against "PKK terrorism". But the author attacks Kurdish identity here and not the PKK.

[Parzin]

There is a huge gap between Turkey's theories and its practices....the chasm seems to be getting wider and deeper with each passing second...how and when it can come together again is a difficult question to answer. At least this is what I have perceived, I may be wrong about it...but I highly doubt it.

[Vladimir]

Funny thing; sort of article with the same vision was posted in Washington times:
Unveiling the PKK.
It was written by Bruce Fein, a resident scholar with the Turkish Coalition of America.

[Diri]

@All

Please keep in mind that the whole point of having all types of people (including Turks, Persians, Arabs etc.) on this forum and posting opposing views - is to show a more nuanced and objective "truth" than what a nationalist Kurd would... This isn't a Kurdish propaganda forum - but a forum where Kurds and non-Kurds are free to discuss any issue which concerns the state of the Kurds and Kurdistan - and those related to these...

This article shows an ignorant view of Kurdishness and Kurdistan... It denies that Kurds can even understand eachother's speech from one village to another village... So that says all there is to say about this article: piece of crap...

It's completely astounding how a Turk or any human being for that matter, can sit down and write such lies and propaganda without an ounce of guilt. This proves only one point: he'll walk over his mother's grave to make Turkey look good...

Kurds understand eachothers tongues perfectly well, Mr. Turk - and Kurdish language wasn't "invented" yesterday or the day before - but is an ancient language which is more than we can say about modern Turkish - which REALLY was "invented" in 1923 at the founding of the Turkish republic...

[Vladimir]

I also think this is wrong:

DTP which has 2,6% votes only in the Turkish Parliament. It does not represent more than 5% of the Kurds in Turkey.

The DTP had around 5% of the TOTAL vote. This means around 2 million people voted for DTP. I don't know how many Kurds there are officially in Turkey. According to a Konda poll there are 11.4 million Kurds in Turkey. This is still more then 5%. Maybe around 10%. And in the southeast DTP shared the number of votes with AKP. Maybe around 50/50.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_T ... note-konda
http://www.konrad.org.tr/secim/ayrinti. ... 15&il_id=0

[Parzin]

@ Diri thank you for telling us we were stepping outside the boundaries of this discussion forum. What exactly is the propaganda being displayed here>?

[AEA]

I think this propaganda as biased as topic ''The unholy alliance between a terrorist state...''.

[Marie K.]

The Truth About Kurds and the PKK
by SOPnewswire
Posted 5 hours, 57 minutes ago

Kurds live in Iran, Irak, Syria and Turkey mostly. The Kurdish spoken in one country is hardly understood in the other. Even Kurdish spoken in one village, is not understood in the next village. The writing of Kurdish was first invented by Kurds who found their ways to Europe some 30 years ago. Prior to this, Kurdish had no writing. Kurds never had a state in the history either. PKK is the name of the terrorist group which demands autonomy for Kurds in Turkey. Kurds live everywhere in Turkey, like all other minorities: e.g. Arabs, Assyrians, Armenians, Greeks, Turkmens, Yoruks, Xerxes, immigrants from Balkan countries- Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania etc. Everyone has equal rights in Turkey. One sees Kurds in every profession and occupation - from industrial work to film directing, from medicine to law, politics, military; from teaching to agriculture. No one is discriminated in Turkey on racial or ethnical grounds.

bla-ba i know many armenian or kurd from Anatolia ("turkey")who are still very afraid to say their real identity cuz they know they will be suffers of discriminating for that so they must hidden themselves have a look to that:http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=h69Zz0sV0GY
in germany recently some turkish neo-nazi have also commited atrocities against kurdish civilian
see that:http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DvO91PcnzkM

those people u mentionned arent immigrant u can see that every armenian or kurdish or greek in other country (except in turkey) is getting very successful and well-integrated person..
why? those people who are the NATIVE people in asia minor country (anatolia, "turkey")dont have same right than turkish..
u may stop to lying urself..turkish have always stealing everything in others cultures..
dont forget that turkish civilisation had never really be existed everything u can find now in so-called turkish culture has been stolen from greek armenian arabs assyrian kurd bulgarians ancient and rich civilisation,
i bet u cant prove that what i said is not the totally truth..
Kurd have a rich and ancient civilisation whom the roots goes more than 5000 years back in time.They never need to steal anyone culture, u can find nowadays some differences about their dialects is for the reason they have to lived in invadors lands thats it but as diri said they almost can understand very well them ..
and last turkish were never be able to have their own culture cuz they were nomadic warriors unilterate who survive as thieves in taking skills and ressourceful from Armenia,Greek and Kurdistan land..
thanks to greek who tried to civilized a bit those barbarian in vain..it would be easier to civilized a animal as a turk...
i dont care diri u decide to banned me cuz ive dared to said the truth about turkish history
thats ur forum afterall.but never forget that in a turkish forum never a kurd will allow to create a thread about kurdish and kurdistan as their own entity..and when a turkish who will say as they liike to say: "kurdish are monkey animal..and so on"
i bet u that u ll never find any turkish ull be offended by those saying and who will defend this kurdish..
http://www.illegalstate.blogspot.com/

perhaps pkk wouldnt solve the problem but its not to the turkish to say what is good for kurd or whats bad who will defend kurd except themselves??

What does PKK want then?

PKK is an instrument supported by foreign powers which desire the division of Turkey- an enormously strategic land rich in many natural resources. PKK is also No.1 in narcotics smuggling in Europe as Interpol can confirm. PKK DOES NOT REPRESENT THE KURDS IN TURKEY. There is a PKK supported political party in Turkey: DTP which has 2,6% votes only in the Turkish Parliament. It does not represent more than 5% of the Kurds in Turkey. With this 2,6% foothold in the Turkish Parliament PKK wants to change the Charter of The Turkish Republic, wants to divide Turkey!

Kurds in Turkey want to continue living under the Turkish Government. They do not want a seperate State. Turkey, like the U.S.A, has many ethnic groups. Land can not be allocated for the ethnic groups, who live anyway everywhere in Turkey. To win its own people to its own side, PKK has been terrorizing Kurds, its own people. PKK has been terrorizing entire Turkey for the past 25 years with bombs and land mines and has caused the death of some 37.000 people.
Turks, Kurds and no other minority in Turkey, incl. the roughly 22 million per year tourists want terrorism or PKK. PKK has been classified there as a terrorist organisation by Turkey, EU and U.S.A. ... Turkey does not have enough resources to fill the gaps in the Turkish State schools. Many teaching positions in Turkish- the national language- are missing.

Ninety universities in Turkey are producing professionals to reach the demands of 70 million inhabitants of Turkey. When the time comes and Turkey has the resources - financial and intellectual- and after the schools have all the teachers they need in the national language, Turkey of course would serve the needs of Kurds to obtain education also in their own language, the writing for which has only recently been invented in Europe.

Turkey has nothing against Kurds whatsoever. Had it been so, Turkey would not give refuge to half a million Kurds who fled Irak because of Saddam. Turkey supplied tents, food, medicine and health care to half a million Kurds who fled from Irak to SW Turkey for over a year, when her own citizens do not have sufficient welfare! --- Europe, in an effort to divide Turkey, supported PKK terrorists and gave them refuge in various European countries.
Turkey is demanding from EU countries all criminals to be returned to Turkey under the international agreement, but EU is refusing to do this, clearly supporting the terrorist organisation PKK, although it has declared PKK as a terrorist organisation.

how can u dare to pretend that turkish are kurdish saviour? turkish deference is worst than any of their insult, thats really a shame for u to have provide this crap article here whereas its has been proved that turkish have always be kurdish oppressors..(except a few turkish highbrow writers and historian who did defend bravely real turkish history despite all opposition..unfortunately those brave turkish had been go in jail or condemn to a exile for saying truth..

[nuray]

a wise person is of little words.

[Vladimir]

I didn't write this. Just to show how Turks look upon the 'Kurdish issue'.