Roj Bash Kurdistan

I think there is not a kurdish ''nation''
What is the Nation ?
A nation is a form of self-defined cultural and social community
Nationhood is an ethical and philosophical doctrine and is the starting point for the ideology of nationalism. Members of a "nation" share a common identity, and usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A nation extends across generations, and includes the dead as full members. Past events are framed in this context; for example; by referring to "our soldiers" in conflicts which took place hundreds of years ago. More vaguely, nations are assumed to include future generations.

A nation needs common language, common litarature,common culture.
Nation must produce culture,litarature in common language.
Also,Common history,Common future.
Nation needs equi members

orkhan wrote:I think there is not a kurdish ''nation''
What is the Nation ?
A nation is a form of self-defined cultural and social community
Nationhood is an ethical and philosophical doctrine and is the starting point for the ideology of nationalism. Members of a "nation" share a common identity, and usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A nation extends across generations, and includes the dead as full members. Past events are framed in this context; for example; by referring to "our soldiers" in conflicts which took place hundreds of years ago. More vaguely, nations are assumed to include future generations.

A nation needs common language, common litarature,common culture.
Nation must produce culture,litarature in common language.
Also,Common history,Common future.
Nation needs equi members

Which of the criteria proposed in that definition of "nationhood" - does the Kurdish nation NOT embody...?

A tribe is an extended family... There are Turkish tribes too... But that doesn't mean that the Turkish people isn't a "nation". Just like Kurds have tribes and still are one nation...

Diri wrote:

orkhan wrote:I think there is not a kurdish ''nation''
What is the Nation ?
A nation is a form of self-defined cultural and social community
Nationhood is an ethical and philosophical doctrine and is the starting point for the ideology of nationalism. Members of a "nation" share a common identity, and usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A nation extends across generations, and includes the dead as full members. Past events are framed in this context; for example; by referring to "our soldiers" in conflicts which took place hundreds of years ago. More vaguely, nations are assumed to include future generations.

A nation needs common language, common litarature,common culture.
Nation must produce culture,litarature in common language.
Also,Common history,Common future.
Nation needs equi members

Which of the criteria proposed in that definition of "nationhood" - does the Kurdish nation NOT embody...?

A tribe is an extended family... There are Turkish tribes too... But that doesn't mean that the Turkish people isn't a "nation". Just like Kurds have tribes and still are one nation...

There were Turkish tribes 500 year ago.
all tribes become Ottomans
After the ottoman empire all Ottman Turks become Turkish citizens
There is not a tribe inside Turkish nation
You have a tribe
I have a nation
diffrent things

So you are basically saying that kurds are a tribe because they don't have a proclaimed country in the sense that Turkey does? "Nation" and "country" is not the same thing, a nation can exist without a country - which is the case with kurds.

orkhan what is common thing between a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın?

zurderer wrote:orkhan what is common thing between a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın?

zurderer teh kurd;

They are Turks
Turkish citizen Turks , firstone live in Aydın , other live in Trabzon.
Maybe their political things different , but they live under the same flag , they speak in the same language,They have the same ID ,They live in Turkey's different cities.

For example my italian language class in italian culture center istanbul.
We are 15 persons...My one friend from Trabzon , he lives in istanbul since 2005 , one friend From iran-Tahran he is a Turk-Azeri and lives inTurkey since 2006 with his family, one friend from Edirne he is a student of istanbul university since 2007

We are friend , we are Turks...no problem , the same nation...istanbul or Ankara or İzmir or Trabzorn or Edirne or Baku or Bodrum... The same people...Turk ,

Whats your opinion?

Maybe their political things different , but they live under the same flag , they speak in the same language,They have the same ID ,They live in Turkey's different cities.

Unrelated, If you continue with this mentality, a chine who know turkish and who live in turkey become turks.


By the way, acording to turkey law, Turk is citizen of Turkey. An azeri cannot become a turk.(acording to our law.)


You still did not show me what is common between a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın.(the similarities you counted are same with a kurd from diyarbakır and a turk from aydın. Speak same langauge, live under same flag, same id and they live in Turkey.)

A nation needs common language, common litarature,common culture.
Nation must produce culture,litarature in common language.
Also,Common history,Common future.

So Kurds from Diyarbakir have nothing to do with Ankara but with Erbil and Mahabad When will you release the "South-Eastern Anatolia" for giving it to Southern Kurdistan ?

zurderer wrote:Maybe their political things different , but they live under the same flag , they speak in the same language,They have the same ID ,They live in Turkey's different cities.

Unrelated, If you continue with this mentality, a chine who know turkish and who live in turkey become turks.


By the way, acording to turkey law, Turk is citizen of Turkey. An azeri cannot become a turk.(acording to our law.)


You still did not show me what is common between a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın.(the similarities you counted are same with a kurd from diyarbakır and a turk from aydın. Speak same langauge, live under same flag, same id and they live in Turkey.)

zurdere the kurd;
You want to see different.Problem in your brain.
of course , three are differents between aydın people and trabzon people
Trabzon in blcaksea area , different geographia , dfferent climate , differen folk culture than Aydin in Egeon region
so what?
Trabzon is a different country???

orkhan the mongol

why the kurds are not a nation in your opinion? the kurds have the same culture, the same langauge, the same history, the same geography. a kurd of hewler (erbil) is the same as a kurd of amed (diyarbakir). there are no big differences. kurd is everywhere kurd. you KNOW this, you turks can differ between kurds and turks in istanbul and other cities who lives turks and kurds. because the kurds are a own race. but because the kurds wants freedome, you ignore and deny the kurdish identy.

orkhun so what make a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın and a turk from azerbeycan one nation?



Johny by the way, It is not easy to differentiate a turk and a kurd at istanbul.. Infact we cannot differentiate a turk and a kurd at istanbul.

Johny Bravo wrote:orkhan the mongol

why the kurds are not a nation in your opinion? the kurds have the same culture, the same langauge, the same history, the same geography. a kurd of hewler (erbil) is the same as a kurd of amed (diyarbakir). there are no big differences. kurd is everywhere kurd. you KNOW this, you turks can differ between kurds and turks in istanbul and other cities who lives turks and kurds. because the kurds are a own race. but because the kurds wants freedome, you ignore and deny the kurdish identy.

Erbil is in Turkish , it is a Turkmen city.Now kurds are majorty in Erbil.
Kurds was living mountains, we know that...look at the history
common history? yes Ottoman History,Persian History,Babylon History
common lenguage? yes in Turkey in Turkish, in syria and iraq in arabic, in iran in farsi
common culture? yes common uncultured

zurderer wrote:orkhun so what make a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın and a turk from azerbeycan one nation?



Johny by the way, It is not easy to differentiate a turk and a kurd at istanbul.. Infact we cannot differentiate a turk and a kurd at istanbul.

what stupidly
Do you live in Turkey?
Aydın and Trabzon..? so?
There are germans in Aydın , in Trabzon Flamangs...
BBC says that ''Trabzon is capital city of nationalism...''

You are wasting "words" without producing any "ideas"

Yes, at history kurds were living at mountains and turks were living at central asia.(Infact mogolistan.) So your history approach is nothing more than funny.

zurderer wrote:orkhun so what make a turk from trabzon and a turk from aydın and a turk from azerbeycan one nation?

there is almost no any turk in azerbaijan..