Why Kurds never had an independent state in history?

[ironfist1923]

Simple question. Let's see some answers now.

Persians, Romans, Arabs, Turks..... all ruled you (well we still rule you ) and you were never free in your entire history.
What makes you think you will be this time around?

[talsor]

Simple question. Let's see some answers now.

Persians, Romans, Arabs, Turks..... all ruled you (well we still rule you ) and you were never free in your entire history.
What makes you think you will be this time around?

I would normally avoid commenting on idiotic post like this , but I'm in a good mode so I will be polite .

I'm not going to get in to the historic facts because it is really getting boring and we have been though it over and over .
The very fact that you are in this forum is prove enough that Kurdistan existed and still exist dispite the artificial boarders . I have lived In Southren /Westren and Northren Kurdistan and as long as I remember Arabs , turks and Iranian always Kiss kurdish ass when they are in Kurdistan . Forget the formality and the notion of Bir VATAN . It is an illusion that you live in and the carpet is slowly being pulled from under your feet and you know it . It will take sometime to adjust but you will eventually .

You are here not as a friend of Kurds , You are here because you are afraid and you should be . I mean look around you where is Iraq ? What happend in Iraq should be a good lesson for turks and turkey that Kurds will never stop .The Arabs of Iraq are lining up for visa to get to southren Kurdistan and they call it united Iraq .

As for turkey It is getting really interesing . Turkey is turning to a Turkey . Last Newroz there were

1-PKK and Pjak flags every where
2-Ocalan picture everywhere (not that I'm a big fan )
3-Kesk u sor u zer (kurdistan flag ) everywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufEwktJ76Fw&feature=related&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

and you call that rulling kurds , My friend it is not a matter of how it is a matter of when .

[kurdimemin_diako]

Simple question. Let's see some answers now.

Persians, Romans, Arabs, Turks..... all ruled you (well we still rule you ) and you were never free in your entire history.
What makes you think you will be this time around?

well , once we had a country , turks were killing eachother in centeral asia flats .
so Median,Corduene,Karda,Kayusid .etc. what are they ?

[ironfist1923]

So.... if you're done with bla bla bla, can we now have the list of independent kurdish states in history. I want to read about them in detail please.

A wiki link would help a lot.

Thanks for the trouble.

[ideas]

Guys when dealing with turkish educared turks, try to be very delicate as too much correct facts may explode the head of a seriously affected turk, they are suffering from a virus called 'im a turk' which basically involves one being educated in turkey and pretty much learning that everything is owned by turkey and turks are gods, off course they are treated like shit in the UK here, but there we go.

1. You name one independent country in the past that is called Turkey, can you? no you can't becuase there may have been empires which involved MANY other people but ruled by turkic people, but no country called Turkey. In the same way there have been numerous kurdish empires which yes like the turks involved MANY people but non the less ruled by kurds, for example:-

The Ayyubids (Kurdish:ایوبیان, Eyûbiyan) were a Sunni Muslim dynasty of Kurdish origin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyubid_dynasty
I can name more but there is no point wasting my precious time, go see a doctor or something.

And don't you worry history is full of twists and turns, people are one day rulers and the next day are ruled, so don't think things will always be the same.

[talsor]

So.... if you're done with bla bla bla, can we now have the list of independent kurdish states in history. I want to read about them in detail please.

A wiki link would help a lot.

Thanks for the trouble.

Why is it so hard to find even ONE half educated turk ? Amazing

[MikeeUSA]

It seems that when one has one's own state, all the faggots gain power (who else can stomach being a kiss-ass politician) and then they out-law the old cultural practices of the people (marrying girls young (at puberty), not letting females divorce, men ruling their family etc) and give women and children power against men. When one does not have their own state ... well it's the foreigners faggots that have the power and no one respects them and no one obeys them.... but ... then they might try to murder your people...

Men like to rule girls, faggots like to rule men (and to give freedom to women and have women rule over men).

[azoukr]

Simple question. Let's see some answers now.

Persians, Romans, Arabs, Turks..... all ruled you (well we still rule you ) and you were never free in your entire history.
What makes you think you will be this time around?

Not only kurds. For example the next nations never had a state (it is not described in History)
but they have their unique language, culture and history: Lezgian, Talysh, Baloch, Pashtun etc.

A lot of nations receive their state not as a result of many years straggle, but
as a result of policy of Stalin, the leader of USSR. He created the great nations structure (ukraine, belorus etc.) but destroyed little nations (kurds, talish, lezgin etc.).


The Russian scientists created language structure and culture structure for Azeris, Uzbeks, Tajik (Persian people), Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, many other nations of USSR.
The Armenians before becoming the independent state spoke in several dialects like kurds now.

[alan131210]

turks in turkey didnt have a state before 1923 either but they been turks licked the asses of brits and french and betrayed the kurds and got a state out of the licking action mentioned earlier.

[alan131210]

here is some info you dumb barbarian turk

from ancient to recent history.


Kurdistan as regions

1. Corduene
(Armenian: Կորճայք, also known as , Korduene, Korchayk, Gordian, Hebrew: [קרטיגיני ) was Kingdom of Armenia's sixth province, located in nowadays Turkish Kurdistan.

Corduene's territory was 14,707 km2 (6,000 sq mi) and had 11 cantons:



Origins

According to Arshak Safrastian, the Medes and Scythians mentioned in classical Greek literature existed only as preconceived notions. Equating the Carduchi with the Gutians, he adds that the moment the Ten Thousand began to skirt the lower slopes of the Hamrin Mountains (iraqi kurdistan), they were in contact with the tribes of Gutium which are presented here as Medes or Scythians.





2. Land of kurds.
these 2 maps prove kurdistan existed as a region not so much as its current name maybe but many countries like turkey iraq Syria didn't have their current names prior to 1923.


I am going to give some information about Kurds According to a Turkish Sources.

This map was made Mahmud al-Kashgari in 1074
Look at the map you can see middle east ( Erdul Ekrad ) in Arabic it says "Land of Kurds"

Source [url]http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kâşgarlı_Mahmud[/url]





3. Kurdistan region .
The map of Ottoman Empire was made in 1893 during Abdul Hamid II
There is Kurdistan If you can read Arabic alphabet There is wide land called "Kurdistan" It means that Kurdistan existed as a name and region before Turkey as a name. it also shows Kerkuk part of Kurdistan which today some turks claim it to belong to a minority of turkmens , the city was originally "built by kurds and was named Arrpkha i myself am from Kerkuk- zadi suburb , but that's another thing not going there.

Source [url]http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanlı_İmparatorluğu[/url]




Kurdistan as a country through out history


1.Republic of Ararat

History:
the Republic of Ararat or Kurdish Republic of Ararat was a self-proclaimed Kurdish state.
The Republic of Ararat led by the central committee of Xoybûn party (founded by Kurds and Armenians) declared independence on October 28, 1927 or 1928, during a wave of rebellion among Kurds in southeastern Turkey.

The Ararat rebellion was led by General Ihsan Nuri Pasha. In October 1927, Kurd Ava or Kurdava, a village near Mount Ararat was designated as the provisional capital of Kurdistan. Xoybûn made appeals to the Great Powers and the League of Nations, and also sent messages to other Kurds in Iraq and Syria to ask for co-operation.

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2.Kingdom of Kurdistan

The Kingdom of Kurdistan can refer to two short-lived unrecognized states formed in the 1920s in the geo-cultural region of Kurdistan after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, in the territory officially under the jurisdiction of the British Mandate of Mesopotamia.1921–1924.

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3. Republic of Kurdistan in the Capital of Mahabad

The Republic of Mahabad, also called the State of the Republic of
Kurdistan) is established in eastern Kurdistan on 22 January 1946. It is the third
contemporary Kurdish state, after the armed resistance against Sex Mahmoud
Berzence English imperialism and the armed struggle against the imperialist
states for the Turkish Foundation of Independent Kurdistan Government in
Kocgiri March 21 of 1921 until 1938 Resistance Army Dersim including the
Republic of Ararat in Turkey, it marks our tragic history in a historic turning
point .. Its capital is the Kurdish town of Mahabad in northwestern Iran. Its
existence is tied to the Soviet-Iranian conflict between the USA and the USSR.1946–1947.

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4. Defacto state of "Kurdistan Regional Government" or (KRG)
established in 1991. this by far has been the longest Kurdish statehood thats is working towards total independence.

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current borders of KRG
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