I am the only authority for PKK disarmament: Öcalan 4/1

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Imprisoned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Öcalan said during a meeting on İmralı island on Jan. 3 that he should be considered the "only authority" in the process of PKK disarmament, daily Hurriyet has reported.

Two pro-Kurdish lawmakers of the Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) were permitted to meet with Öcalan on İmralı island, where he is serving a life sentence. Öcalan reportedly stated that "important steps may be taken in the upcoming months, if the process is not sabotaged."

"The aim is to create an environment without the need for guns," Öcalan said. "Everyone should be careful and sensitive."

Ayla Akat Ata, a BDP deputy, and Ahmet Türk, an independent deputy and co-chair of umbrella group Democratic Society Congress (DTK), traveled to İmralı from Istanbul’s Ataköy marina at around 8 a.m. and returned to Istanbul at around 3 p.m on Jan. 3.

They will also be conducting a number of visits to the island in the future, according to reports.

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First of all , I do not believe for a second that turkey will ever release Ocalan . They have been and will continue using him to issue orders that is not in the interest of the Kurds . Qandil along with BDP will obey whatever Apo say no matter How strange the orders are .

Am i the only one who find it Ironically funny getting orders form Ocalan while he is prison ,surrounded by turkish police ?. Does not make us look really really stupid ?

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Am i the only one who find it Ironically funny getting orders form Ocalan while he is prison ,surrounded by turkish police ?. Does not make us look really really stupid ?

I find it funny and suspect since 1999 but obviously, it has never been a problem for the PKK and the Apocîs.

[Anthea]

First of all , I do not believe for a second that turkey will ever release Ocalan . They have been and will continue using him to issue orders that is not in the interest of the Kurds . Qandil along with BDP will obey whatever Apo say no matter How strange the orders are .

Am i the only one who find it Ironically funny getting orders form Ocalan while he is prison ,surrounded by turkish police ?. Does not make us look really really stupid ?

I am with you 200%. We know Ocalan was tortured and in bad health when first imprisoned and we know that he has been isolated for a large number of months. We must consider that he may well have been subject to further torture and/or brainwashing. Much as I respect Ocalan, having witnessed as first hand the affect he had on Kurds living under Turkish administration and the pride he awoke within the people, I would NOT believe anything he say whilst in the hands of the Turkish regime.

We should demand Ocalan be released and allowed to reside in a totally independent country. And then, because of the amount of time that he was kept in isolation, we should demand DNA testing to confirm that the person proportioning to be Ocalan is in fact Ocalan. Far fetched, NO, he has been isolated long enough to be replaced. If Ocalan was dead Turkey would not be able to control the Kurds. But if Turkey replaced Ocalan with someone else who was completely under Turkish control they could bring the Kurds under control. It is 2013 and anything is possible. These things have been possible for years.

Kurds MUST see what is going on in the world: Many indigenous people are getting their traditional homelands back. South Kurdistan is becoming an extremely strong and powerful nation. Turkey is frightened. Young Kurds can use the internet to discover all the horrendous things that Turks have done to Kurds over the years. The youth will NOT be suppressed as their parents and grandparents were. If Kurds in WK declare independence there is NO WAY that the Kurds in NK will sit back and agree to living under continued Turkish suppression.

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I said right from the beginning that Turkey uses Öcalan as a tool to weaken the movement. I bet with you. Like they ended the hungerstrike thanks to Öcalan. And they will move on and will always try this again because they know it always works. Always,if they are under pressure, they bring Öcalan into play. Like you know, Ahmed Türk and the BDP Politician Ayla Akat visited Öcalan and I don't want to know what Öcalan said. It must be something stupid (for Kurds),otherwise the dirty Turks wouldn't allow Türk and Akat to visit Öcalan.

[Qonyeyi]

Apoism ( which is the ideology Apo has created from his own and various ideas, and not the idolizing of Apo himself, as some people want to make propaganda about) is this time's most dynamic and applicable ideology. Light years ahead of Western Democracy and thousands of light years ahead of Middle Eastern chauvanism, autrocracy and feudalism controlled dictatorships.

Apoism is the only ideology that has not been imposed and forced upon people and yet it is the ideology with the biggest variation in religious and ethnical followers. This, of course, is the reason why most world powers are afraid of Apoism. For almost a hundred years, the West has tried to stabilize their power in Middle East through fascism, dictatorship and ideologies that they IMPOSED and FORCED upon people and still they can not stabilize their power. And here comes a man called Apo who, for some reason, can draw people to his ideology from dozens of different ethnicities and religious sects without even firing a bullet towards these people.

We have a situation in NK and Turkey where Assyrians, Yezidis, Alevis, Arabs, Turks, Turkmens, Azeris, Christians and jews support PKK and support the implementing of democratic autonomy. The same situation we see in WK and Syria today.

The problem is of course that on the other side you have a NATO army, an Irani army and various salafist/mercenary group bound to the West who have the whole media and arms of the whole world in their control.

Even though Apoism is in a proto-type state, it will most definitly become the acting ideology of Middle East. What we see today is that Turkey might be willing to let Apoism spread as long as it only spreads inside of Kurdistan and leave its affection out of the rest of Middle East.

Apoism is not an ideology you have to spread by force that is why it will spread faster and wider than any other ideology. Nationalism is a dead ideology. Conservatism is almost extinct. Religious regimes are not to be trusted as they rarely actually become what they wish to become. Socialism is becoming extinct as it has not been able to distance itself from the Soviet trauma and create its own boundaries. Capitalism still lives on, and probably will live until it destroys everything in its way. But what is the same with all of these ideologies is that they were created by force and imposed by force. Only exceptions are, to some degree socialism and liberalism.

[Aslan]

The father of the Kurds

These days, there is a new hope in Turkey that the three-decade-old armed conflict between the state and the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) might come to an end. Yet the man who is expected to build this peace is someone that many Turks would try and kill with their bare hands: Abdullah Öcalan, the PKK’s jailed leader.
Öcalan, whose political career began in Ankara in the early 1970s as a communist activist, founded the PKK toward the end of that decade, mainly as “the vanguard of socialism in Kurdistan.” After the 1980 coup that crushed political activists from almost all sides, but especially the left, the PKK re-emerged in 1984 with a vengeance. With bloody attacks on not just Turkish security forces but also fellow Kurds who refused to support the organization, the PKK unleashed a terrorist campaign that has left Turkey hurt to this day.
This “low-intensity civil war,” as some have called it, has been disastrous for both sides. The PKK lost at least 30,000 “guerillas,” whereas the Turkish security forces have given more than 6,000 “martyrs.” Thousands of civilians were also killed, either through PKK attacks or the state’s “collateral damage.”
Since Öcalan was somehow responsible for all this carnage, the overwhelming majority of Turks hated him passionately, giving him the nickname “baby killer.” For the pro-PKK Kurds, however, who constitute roughly one-third of all Kurds in Turkey, Öcalan was a savior and a saint. They saw him as the “people’s leader” who bravely stood up against the Turkish yoke. “He is our Atatürk,” some Kurds even used to say, referring to the founder of the Turkish Republic, or “the Father of the Turks.”
That is why when Öcalan was finally captured by Turkey, with American assistance, in 1999, two opposing reactions emerged. The overwhelming majority of Turks felt relieved and cheerful, in a way similar to the common American delight in the killing of Osama bin Laden. Pro-PKK Kurds, on the other hand, felt traumatized. A few of them even burnt themselves alive to manifest their despair.
Since 1999, Öcalan has been in a Turkish prison on the island of İmralı in the all-Turkish Marmara Sea. He is mainly cut off from the outside world, including the PKK, but his prestige, and cult of personality, among the Kurds persist.
The better news is that Öcalan gradually realized in his cell that he could regain his freedom only by being instrumental in finding a peaceful solution to the conflict. Hence he began to give dovish messages to the state and society, trying to recast his image as a peacemaker rather than a terrorist leader.
That is why “dialogue with İmralı” (not explicitly Öcalan, because the man’s name is still too toxic) has become a euphemism that the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government publicly announced as a “tool to end terrorism” in the past few years. The AKP, to its credit, had taken a brave step by conceding that terrorism will end not merely through the “war on terror,” but also through “dialogue with the political representatives of terror.”
It also gradually turned out that the definitive “political representatives of terror” are not the pro-PKK deputies in the Parliament, but Öcalan, whose authority is binding for both them and their beloved “guerillas.” That is why the government is now allowing Öcalan to meet with the deputies in question and give them his political messages. And everybody is curious to see whether this will really lead the PKK to say a farewell to arms.




i think this belongs here if not well it does now xD

[Anthea]

The PKK was formed by a group of friends after ALL other Kurdish groups and political organisations were closed down by the government. In fact Turkey has closed virtually ALL Kurdish groups and bought down ALL Kurdish leaders. Ocalan was the only one to survive.

As Ocalan's strength and popularity grew I believe that some Kurdish activists and tribal leaders thought that they should have greater control themselves and there was a lot of in-fighting, unfortunately some people died during the original power struggles.

There were Kurdish tribal leaders and wealthy Kurdish landowners who were not happy with the thought of there works having rights and those were some of the people who came into conflict with the PKK. Unfortunately, there were some deaths.

Ocalan woke up the Kurds and gave them pride. Turkey did NOT want the Kurds to wake up because it was busy pushing Kurds off their homelands and stealing their minerals, including the large DAM projects that entailed pushing countless thousands of Kurds off their lands in order to build the dams.

What happened to relocated Kurds. Many farmers ended up living in Istanbul. You may not realise it but there is NOT a great deal of farmland in the centre of Istanbul

"Baby Killer" Turkish journalists were told that every time they mention Ocalan they had to use terms such as Baby Killer to describe him. It was NOT a choice. Either write things such as Baby Killer to describe Ocalan OR die. This was used to make Turks HATE Kurds, because we all know that people believe what they read in the newspapers.

For many years Kurds were afraid to go out on the streets and protest because they risked torture, imprisonment and death for doing so. Even now a husband or wife might go on a protest but very often one of the couple with remain at home because the risk or being shot or imprisoned still exists.

Terrible things have been happening to Kurds over the years and many of them are unknown or have been forgotten. Ocalan always encouraged Kurds to learn about Kurdish history and to put their Kurdishness ahead of any perceived religious differences. Ocalan gave Kurds living in NK PRIDE

[Cewlik]

Am i the only one who find it Ironically funny getting orders form Ocalan while he is prison ,surrounded by turkish police ?. Does not make us look really really stupid ?

Öcalans time is over, but the Apocis try to maintain him and his failed ideology as the only solution for Kurds. The radicalism of this failed ideology is very dangerous, because they will harm the Kurds as long as they have the power and they will fight against every new Kurdish movement which dont follow Apoisim.

[Qonyeyi]

Am i the only one who find it Ironically funny getting orders form Ocalan while he is prison ,surrounded by turkish police ?. Does not make us look really really stupid ?

Öcalans time is over, but the Apocis try to maintain him and his failed ideology as the only solution for Kurds. The radicalism of this failed ideology is very dangerous, because they will harm the Kurds as long as they have the power and they will fight against every new Kurdish movement which dont follow Apoisim.

This is not true. Can you tell of any newer parties that are not Apoistic that are being attacked by Apocis? Stop this propaganda. In NK we have Hur-Par, Hak-Par, various korucu and collaborist tribes etc etc. Not one of them have been attacked by Apoci despite the fact that they are collaborist and spread the worst propaganda about PKK. PCDK was closed in SK. Did Apocis say anything? You might close us by force but remember that the people will follow us voluntarily sooner or later.

Yes, in its early days PKK had to eradicate these collaborist parts because they were fighting with weapons against PKK. But this has not been like this for at least 13 years.

As I said, Apocis and PKK does not have to attack anyone or force Apoism upon anyone. Apoism will spread. You wait and see. The only ones who will fight Apoism till the end is mistaken radical Islamists and Jews, radical nationalists, fascists and fake leftists. These people will never adopt Apoism even if it could save their lives. Apoism will save Middle East but you will not realise it for yourselves until it is too late. Unfortunately.

[Qonyeyi]

Am i the only one who find it Ironically funny getting orders form Ocalan while he is prison ,surrounded by turkish police ?. Does not make us look really really stupid ?

Öcalans time is over, but the Apocis try to maintain him and his failed ideology as the only solution for Kurds. The radicalism of this failed ideology is very dangerous, because they will harm the Kurds as long as they have the power and they will fight against every new Kurdish movement which dont follow Apoisim.

This is not true. Can you tell of any newer parties that are not Apoistic that are being attacked by Apocis? Stop this propaganda. In NK we have Hur-Par, Hak-Par, various korucu and collaborist tribes etc etc. Not one of them have been attacked by Apoci despite the fact that they are collaborist and spread the worst propaganda about PKK. PCDK was closed in SK. Did Apocis say anything? You might close us by force but remember that the people will follow us voluntarily sooner or later.

Yes, in its early days PKK had to eradicate these collaborist parts because they were fighting with weapons against PKK. But this has not been like this for at least 13 years.

As I said, Apocis and PKK does not have to attack anyone or force Apoism upon anyone. Apoism will spread. You wait and see. The only ones who will fight Apoism till the end is mistaken radical Islamists and Jews, radical nationalists, fascists and fake leftists. These people will never adopt Apoism even if it could save their lives. Apoism will save Middle East but you will not realise it for yourselves until it is too late. Unfortunately.

Ps. European parties that are inspired by Apoism; EL ( Denmark), Left Party ( Sweden) and Sinn Fein in Ireland. There are probably some more.

[Cewlik]

Apoism will save Middle East but you will not realise it for yourselves until it is too late. Unfortunately.

I dont know in which planet you live, but in the planet earth no state will follow Apoisim, not even the majority of Kurds supports Apoisim. The PKK dreams to spread Apoisim in the world, like Stalinisim or Maoism etc. And for that they sacrifice the lives of Kurds.

The PKK dont use the Power that they get from Kurds to bring Kurdistan forward to independence like the KRG do, they just use it to spread their ideology.

A new party/movement which dont follows a failed ideology and works for Kurdistan should displace the PKK, so that they dont can continue with their policy.

[Qonyeyi]

Apoism will save Middle East but you will not realise it for yourselves until it is too late. Unfortunately.

I dont know in which planet you live, but in the planet earth no state will follow Apoisim, not even the majority of Kurds supports Apoisim. The PKK dreams to spread Apoisim in the world, like Stalinisim or Maoism etc. And for that they sacrifice the lives of Kurds.

The PKK dont use the Power that they get from Kurds to bring Kurdistan forward to independence like the KRG do, they just use it to spread their ideology.

A new party/movement which dont follows a failed ideology and works for Kurdistan should displace the PKK, so that they dont can continue with their policy.

KRG is not even independant. What planet are you living on? Did you not know that Nationalism is a dead ideology and that its only result has been dead and destruction. KRG is a state under the feet of Turkey and USA. If you wish to find pride in that, go ahead. But how are you going to answer the millions of people killed in the names of these two countries? If you support KRG and the foundation they are built upon, you also follow blind capitalism and feudalism and you also follow the ideology of Turkey and USA and their totalitarianism.

You and me will never agree, but you have to realise, for your own sake, that you are directly supporting world fascism by supporting the foundation which KRG is built upon. I am not being negative towards KRG. Frankly, I do not care about it. But think about the foundation and you might agree with me.

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Reading an apoist talking about Öcalan gives the same feeling than hearing scientology adepts when they explain how Ron Hubbard will save the world against YOU, unbeliever. Half funny half creepy.

[Qonyeyi]

Reading an apoist talking about Öcalan gives the same feeling than hearing scientology adepts when they explain how Ron Hubbard will save the world against YOU, unbeliever. Half funny half creepy.

I don't know about saving the world but it will most definitely save middle east from its missery. A missery caused by failed ideologies such as nationalism, radical islamism, feudalism, capital patriotism etc.

Given the fact that both NK and WK could be a total war, I am happy that the prevailing ideologies in these parts is Apoism and not some radical ideology as nationalism or radical islamism that would bring total destruction over the area. Nobody can deny this.