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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:05 pm

Anthea wrote:
Piling wrote:If you want to understand what was Charlie Hebdo, here is the cover of their last special issue :

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So no need for them to be defend by all European Fascists parties.

and the one which expresses the best the spirit of the newspaper :

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And were Christians offended? NO

Did Christians shoot the cartoonists? NO

I hope that the people at 'CHARLIE HEBDO' will find in their hearts the strength to continue :ymapplause:



Some Christians were offended but only filed complain in court. Most of these trials have been won by Charlie : France has a tradition of blasphemy since our 'Philosophes des Lumières' and generally caricaturists and satirists' rights are strongly protected by laws.

That's one of the reasons of the great sadness and shock in all the country.

But of course no Christian movements ever call to violence and murder : we have no KKK here.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:39 pm

#BREAKING - An armed man has reportedly taken a hostage at a kosher grocery store at Porte de #Vincennes #Paris

http://f24.my/14yifmk

Might be the same who shot a policewoman in Southern Paris. And now a Jewish grocery.

Nice time in France. 8-}
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Re: At least 10 dead in Paris shooting - French media

PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:07 pm

How the Catholic Church made its peace with Charlie Hebdo


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I was brought up to hate Charlie Hebdo.

Charlie Hebdo's genesis was not as a generic humor magazine, but as a part of a specific strain of the French left, the anticlerical left, which was defined specifically by its hostility to religion and, historically, my religion, Roman Catholicism. Think of Bill Maher as a very milquetoast version of the French anticlerical left.

Until the Danish cartoon affair, when Charlie Hebdo began to suffer the ire of jihadism, and responded with its masterful and felicitous trolling, it was much more likely to make my faith the target of its crude attacks. Even though Charlie Hebdo lampooned everything, it had a particular interest in attacking religion as the most stupid and despicable thing on the face of the planet.

In France, the battles over separation of church and state often ended up in the streets — and often turned bloody. During the French Reign of Terror and the Paris Commune many Catholics were martyred, but even democratic governments oppressed religion. The French Third Republic for several years banned religious schools, forcing many families into exile. Catholicism lost, and France got the hard-secularist bargain that it is so well known for.

For many people in my family, Charlie Hebdo represented everything that went wrong with the country: vulgar, often for the sake of being vulgar, disrespectful of all authority, of no redeeming artistic or cultural value. The Charlie Hebdo staff and I had diametrically opposed views on religion, philosophy, politics, economics — you name it.

The attack this week on Charlie Hebdo had, at least, the virtue of being starkly revealing. Here were men brutally murdered for their service to one of the greatest ideals of civilization; here were brave men who had been threatened and attacked before, and had responded with fortitude. And we should not forget the police officer of North African descent who died protecting them, or the member of the cleaning staff, a bystander and father of two, also murdered. They symbolize the indiscriminate character of Islamic terrorism, as well as the fact that jihadis are perfectly willing to kill their fellow Muslims, who are their most numerous victims. Here was everything good and civilized in the world, attacked by everything base and depraved.

And even before the attack, Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists had shown their redeeming qualities: They were funny, and they were good. They trafficked in a French kind of Rabelaisian humor that doesn't carry well in foreign cultures, certainly not in the Anglosphere. When snooty British journalists make a point of talking about the crudity of their cartoons, I want to say that they are the ones being vulgar, on top of being humorless — and I don't know which is worse.

When their cover depicted Benedict XVI resigning from the papacy to elope with a Swiss guard, I had to laugh. And their post-firebomb cover showing a cartoonist droolingly French-kissing a mullah was, perhaps, the most genius act of trolling in recent history.

But that is not why an attack against them is an attack against everything I hold dear. They represent everything I aspire to: freedom, courage, not to mention a big helping of whimsy.

I am not alone. Right after the attack, André Cardinal Vingt-Trois, archbishop of Paris, sent a message of dismay and support for Charlie Hebdo's right to mock his faith. A century ago, the cardinal's predecessor would undoubtedly have thought that Charlie Hebdo should be shut down as a measure of public safety. And a few centuries before that, his predecessor might have put Charb or Cabu on the rack.

It was not by virtue of a shared Christian faith that Charlie Hebdo's staffers and I were brothers — it was by virtue of our shared faith in Enlightenment liberalism. And not very long ago, my church might have asked me to commit the injustice of denying their rights.

At the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church recovered what I believe to be the more authentic Christian teaching, accepting religious freedom and pluralism. But let's face it: the Catholic Church fought liberalism, and lost. I love the Catholic Church more than anything in the world, and I hope I would die for her if I had to — but I am glad she lost.

Charlie Hebdo reminded me that as much as I am a man of Christ and a man of the church — because I am these things — I am also a man of Enlightenment liberalism. That is why I see an attack against people with whom I disagree on almost everything as an attack on my values, on what I believe in and cherish.

That is the value system that any civilization worth cherishing must incorporate — and that is the value system that we must defend against these jihadi barbarians.

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:14 pm

I know tha I have mentioned my friends before on this forum - but Jag (Indian gentleman) and Webby (Jamaican gentleman) did much to increase peoples understanding of different cultures

Jag with his only world week (2 week multicultural festival of activities (he also started the English language schemes to teach newcomers English - the government of the time decided to withdraw funding and support Black History month instead X( )

Webby with The Melting Pot Foundation (designed to have people from different cultures working together and holding assorted multi-cultural functions in schools and colleges as well as providing outreach projects)

I had the privilege of working with both these two lovely gentlemen

We helped people who genuinely needed help - all of the helpers (mostly volunteers) took strangers into their own homes - we shared our homes and our knowledge

Now people from different ethnic groups do not mix - many of the more recent minorities coming to the UK are

A) Not genuine refugees

B) Liars and cheats

C) Hate other other so-called refugees

D) Even openly insult other minorities (seems that only white people get into trouble saying anything against someone of a different race X( seriously unjust)

E) People from the small Caribbean islands hate Jamaicans - Jamaicans hate smallies and often refer to them as monkey eaters

F) Most Pakistanis openly insult Indians and in their comedy clubs Indians bear the brunt of most Pakistani jokes (I have never been to a Hindu comedy club because I have not yet find one that allows white people in X( )

G) Several African tribes not only hate those from other African tribes - they often have fights in the streets or clubs

H) Due to the influx of non-genuine refugees/asylum seekers UK social service/education/housing/hospitals/doctors cannot cope

I) It goes without saying - Turks hate Kurds - Kurds hate Turks
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Re: At least 10 dead in Paris shooting - French media

PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:21 pm

Piling wrote:#BREAKING - An armed man has reportedly taken a hostage at a kosher grocery store at Porte de #Vincennes #Paris

http://f24.my/14yifmk

Might be the same who shot a policewoman in Southern Paris. And now a Jewish grocery.

Nice time in France. 8-}


There appears to be a risk of these attacks growing

ALL UK ports and airports are being closely guarded

Radio programs give us far greater information into the Islamic State than other media sources

And radio phone-ins show us that people are becoming really concerned/frightened
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Re: At least 10 dead in Paris shooting - French media

PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:12 pm

So now Vincennes (Eastern Paris) is closed and surrounded : hostages, AFP wrongly announced 2 dead. Might be the same than the murderer of Montrouge.

Trocadero Place has been evacuated (Western Paris). Reason unknown.

Dammartin en Goele : 2 killers of Charlie Hebdo wants to die in martyrs.



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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:23 pm

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/galeries ... acher.html

Slide show of what is usually the most crowded and busy road around Paris.
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Re: At least 10 dead in Paris shooting - French media

PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:31 pm

THE END !

The 3 Jihadists have been killed. The hostage of Dammartin is safe. 10 people were freed in Vincennes.

Long Live to GIGN and RAID, France are proud of them.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:17 pm

Piling wrote:http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/galeries-photos/photo/20150109.OBS9628/photos-paris-fige-par-la-prise-d-otages-a-hypercacher.html

Slide show of what is usually the most crowded and busy road around Paris.


Question is that now these people have obtained such notoriety - will others follow :(
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Re: At least 10 dead in Paris shooting - French media

PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:46 pm

Apparently your favorite David Cameron comes to Paris sunday to join the rally. :-D
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:56 pm

Cartoonists strike back :ymapplause:

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:02 pm

Several of the cartoons are now aimed at Muslims not just the black clad jihadists

I see trouble brewing :(

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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:14 pm

The most popular Hashtag in @twitter history is #JeSuisCharlie

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This is my favorite :

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bites is 'cock' in French slang.

Some attacks happened against Muslims in France, I hope it will stop.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:25 pm

Piling wrote:The most popular Hashtag in @twitter history is #JeSuisCharlie

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Is this from jihadists :shock:
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:34 pm

I could not resist adding this one ;)

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