is ebru gundesh kurdish?

[Diri]

how do you know she is kurdish?

Because people talk - and I have family in Turkey... She could be one of those second generation Kurds in Turkey - you know - her parent's moved to Turkey and then she was born into Turkishness...

[pepula]

oh ok
not that i class her as kurdish anyways now
she sounds like the most anti-kurd you get
i hope she has fun with her greywolf friends

[Diri]

oh ok
not that i class her as kurdish anyways now
she sounds like the most anti-kurd you get
i hope she has fun with her greywolf friends

Despite all she has said... I will not blame only her for her stupidity... I will blame the Turkish state - because they are the reason why Kurds in North Kurdistan aren't as PROUD of being Kurdish as they are of being able to speak Turkish - Kurds who don't speak Turkish in Turkey - are considered DUMB and STUPID... So it is the Turkish state we must blame for our situation in North Kurdistan...

[tomjez]

I met several times girl like that, saying "my parents WERE kurds, but I'm not, now we are turks, kurds are terrorists

As you say it is turkey's responsability. When you go to school in Istanbul, you can't say "I'm kurdish" or even fee like one, otherwise you are rejected. I think intelligent people "rediscover" their true identity when they grow up. Some other think that what they learnt at school is the only truth...

[Diri]

I met several times girl like that, saying "my parents WERE kurds, but I'm not, now we are turks, kurds are terrorists

As you say it is turkey's responsability. When you go to school in Istanbul, you can't say "I'm kurdish" or even fee like one, otherwise you are rejected. I think intelligent people "rediscover" their true identity when they grow up. Some other think that what they learnt at school is the only truth...

Yes - the last thing you said makes a lot of sense... About the Kemalists - I mean...

Tom - why don't you take a trip to MEIC forum?

There is this Turkish friend here - Emrah - he thinks every Turk loves every Kurd...

[tomjez]

There is this Turkish friend here - Emrah - he thinks every Turk loves every Kurd..

Yes officialy Turks and Kurds are "all brothers". They can't hate eachother because they are not different, all citizens of turkey. They are equals, and no one has more rights than one other. So Kurds can have cultural rights, because it would make them different, and create inegality.

THIS is Kemalism. You can be very nice, whish peace and brotherhood, and say that to fullfil that Kurdish language must disappear.

I spent to much time in Turkey

[Diri]

There is this Turkish friend here - Emrah - he thinks every Turk loves every Kurd..

Yes officialy Turks and Kurds are "all brothers". They can't hate eachother because they are not different, all citizens of turkey. They are equals, and no one has more rights than one other. So Kurds can have cultural rights, because it would make them different, and create inegality.

THIS is Kemalism. You can be very nice, whish peace and brotherhood, and say that to fullfil that Kurdish language must disappear.

I spent to much time in Turkey

You mean "CAN'T" - right?

And yes... Turkey affects your thinking - no wonder there are Kurds in the mountains, struggling for Kurdistan...

[tomjez]

You can be very nice,

no no, very nice people sincerely think that preventing little kids to speak their mothern language is a precondition to democracy and brotherhood.

kemalism does not only create mean stupid people. It also creates nice stupid people

[Diri]

You can be very nice,

no no, very nice people sincerely think that preventing little kids to speak their mothern language is a precondition to democracy and brotherhood.

kemalism does not only create mean stupid people. It also creates nice stupid people

Yeah... Your right!

[Diri]

These are the Kurdish artists in Turkey:

*Ibrahim Tatlises
¤Mahsum Kirmizigul
*Ceylan
¤Zara
*Rafet El Roman
¤Ozcan Deniz
*Alis(h)an
¤Berdan Mardini
*Emrah
¤Gulben Ergen
*Seher Dilovan
¤Nuray Hafiftas(h)
*Ebru Gundes(h)
¤Hulya Avs(h)ar
*Yildiz Tilbe

diri said this^^ in ceylan post

is it true or not then?

I want to add a new member to "Turkish Kurdish" Artists:

Sertab Erener - Her father is from Amed... Mother is unknown...