never chat with turks...

[Kubilay]

Its racist yes. I dont like it. It not be delete I know.

i agree.
i do not know why diri compare grey wolves to pkk. grey wolves have alot a pride for being türk and can be racist cause of this but they do not do terror for turan like pkk do for kurdistan.

Why dont ask him why?

[Barış]

Never chat with Kurds...

[Diri]

Its racist yes. I dont like it. It not be delete I know.

i agree.
i do not know why diri compare grey wolves to pkk. grey wolves have alot a pride for being türk and can be racist cause of this but they do not do terror for turan like pkk do for kurdistan.

Seriously, Nuray - I thought you would know better...

Then what is that Turkish organization doing... The one called "Turk intikam... Something"... They are fascist grey wolves... And a grey wolf doesn't equal "Turanist" - you should know that too...

Grey wolves = fascist Turks...

And this thread will not be deleted - because it's just a classical example of how humans easily label groups of people - because of one or two bad experiences... DO keep in mind: this thread is OLD - and the one who started the thread MAY NOT FEEL THE SAME WAY now - and I know he doesn't...

Roj Bash has come a long way since the creation of this thread - and we should view it as a good example of how not to think...

By the way, Nuray, it's your personal oppinion that "the PKK does terror for Kurdistan"... I don't believe that at all - I believe they do it for themselves... Don't dirty Kurdistan's name with terror, please...

[Diri]

Never chat with Kurds...

Good one...

[nuray]

Seriously, Nuray - I thought you would know better...

Then what is that Turkish organization doing... The one called "Turk intikam... Something"... They are fascist grey wolves... And a grey wolf doesn't equal "Turanist" - you should know that too...

Grey wolves = fascist Turks...

And this thread will not be deleted - because it's just a classical example of how humans easily label groups of people - because of one or two bad experiences... DO keep in mind: this thread is OLD - and the one who started the thread MAY NOT FEEL THE SAME WAY now - and I know he doesn't...

Roj Bash has come a long way since the creation of this thread - and we should view it as a good example of how not to think...

By the way, Nuray, it's your personal oppinion that "the PKK does terror for Kurdistan"... I don't believe that at all - I believe they do it for themselves... Don't dirty Kurdistan's name with terror, please...

türk intikam tugayı? you think they did that bombing in diyarbakır and believe that nonsense about them murdering kutlu adalı? i know grey wolf does not equal turanist. they are nationalist not fascist. why you label them all? i think some are very nice.
it good admin do not feel same way about türks. i want it deleted cause it will offend some but i know why you not want to delete it now.
pkk do teror attacks cause they want southeastern türkiye. they will never get it but too dumb to know this. there are some nice kurds and pkk give them bad reputation.

[Diri]

Seriously, Nuray - I thought you would know better...

Then what is that Turkish organization doing... The one called "Turk intikam... Something"... They are fascist grey wolves... And a grey wolf doesn't equal "Turanist" - you should know that too...

Grey wolves = fascist Turks...

And this thread will not be deleted - because it's just a classical example of how humans easily label groups of people - because of one or two bad experiences... DO keep in mind: this thread is OLD - and the one who started the thread MAY NOT FEEL THE SAME WAY now - and I know he doesn't...

Roj Bash has come a long way since the creation of this thread - and we should view it as a good example of how not to think...

By the way, Nuray, it's your personal oppinion that "the PKK does terror for Kurdistan"... I don't believe that at all - I believe they do it for themselves... Don't dirty Kurdistan's name with terror, please...

türk intikam tugayı? you think they did that bombing in diyarbakır and believe that nonsense about them murdering kutlu adalı? i know grey wolf does not equal turanist. they are nationalist not fascist. why you label them all? i think some are very nice.
it good admin do not feel same way about türks. i want it deleted cause it will offend some but i know why you not want to delete it now.
pkk do teror attacks cause they want southeastern türkiye. they will never get it but too dumb to know this. there are some nice kurds and pkk give them bad reputation.

Nuray - I think you are being unfair... You say that the TIT never does anything bad? I wasn't refering to the Amed inccident - but generally - there have been MANY MORE examples of their work...

What about Şemzînan...? Are you trying to say that it was just an accident?

And besides the TIT - the Turkish army is a terrorist organization... Will you deny this? Of course you will... You will say they are heroes who defend their country...

But of course, I and every Kurd on earth will disagree with that... For us they are terrorists - after razing and burning 6000 villages - murdering MILLIONS and raping many thousands...

Do you know how many Kurdish girls are raped per year? They Turkish army does that often - they do it to destroy the social structures in Kurdistan... Because then they can break the people...

You see, I don't disagree that the PKK has done terrorist attacks - but you seem to deny that the TIT and Turkish army has done terrorist attacks... That is what I call UNFAIR...

Of course you are free to believe whatever you wish - and so am I... But objective realty is that both the PKK and Grey Wolf are extremists - and that is why I compared the two...

I do not like extremist PKKci just like I don't like extremist Grey Wolves...

At least I am fair in respect... But you seem to like one and hate the other...

[nuray]

Nuray - I think you are being unfair... You say that the TIT never does anything bad? I wasn't refering to the Amed inccident - but generally - there have been MANY MORE examples of their work...

What about Şemzînan...? Are you trying to say that it was just an accident?

And besides the TIT - the Turkish army is a terrorist organization... Will you deny this? Of course you will... You will say they are heroes who defend their country...

But of course, I and every Kurd on earth will disagree with that... For us they are terrorists - after razing and burning 6000 villages - murdering MILLIONS and raping many thousands...

Do you know how many Kurdish girls are raped per year? They Turkish army does that often - they do it to destroy the social structures in Kurdistan... Because then they can break the people...

You see, I don't disagree that the PKK has done terrorist attacks - but you seem to deny that the TIT and Turkish army has done terrorist attacks... That is what I call UNFAIR...

Of course you are free to believe whatever you wish - and so am I... But objective realty is that both the PKK and Grey Wolf are extremists - and that is why I compared the two...

I do not like extremist PKKci just like I don't like extremist Grey Wolves...

At least I am fair in respect... But you seem to like one and hate the other...

i did not say they never does anything bad.. i hear that pkk did bombings in şemdinli a few years ago. i then heard later they were caught and it was not pkk. ok i agree it was not just a accident.
i do not agree the army is terorist organization. some are heroes some are not.
you know some kurds rape too. it is not only some türks. these men should be in prison for life for doing this.
yes they are extreme.i still think pkk is more extremist than bozkurtlar.

[Diri]

You heard that the PKK did the Şemzînan bombing???

Where were you when the media was revealing all the facts:

1) The soldiers of the Turkish army did it - while on duty...
2) They had more bombs in the back of their car...
3) They had lists and maps for their plan...
4) The soldiers who did this were not convicted in court - they are now free like birds... No sentence for them at all!!!

I know you don't look at them as terrorists - but that is how Kurds view them...
I know you look at the PKK as terrorists - but that is not how Kurds view them...

See? A fact:

So if you are Turk you will definetly call the PKK terrorists - and if you are Kurd you will definetly call the Turkish Army terrorists...

I know some Kurds rape and some Arabs rape and some Turks rape... TRUE! But - I am not talking about "some Turks" - I am talking about the Turkish army doing it. Often while they are on duty... You know why they do it? It is part of the assimilation policies: if they rape a girl, then they have to send her to somewhere else (to the Turkish part of Turkey) - because if she is raped, she will lose her viriginity - and nobody will marry her if they know she was raped - and her life will be in danger often because the family will think she did it herself (that she had sex with somebody of free will) and that would mean she is a "whore" and that means she is a stain on their pride... Do you see? It's not that Kurds are barbars - but if they KNEW she was RAPED by Turkish soldiers - then they wouldn't feel she was a "whore" - or that their pride was harmed...

It's all part of the Turkish assimilation policies... And it's been going on since the 20's...

And did you know, that when a Kurdish girl is raped by Turkish soldiers - often she will go to join the PKK - because she would feel ashamed to tell her parents she was raped... Or often the soldiers threaten the girls that if they tell anybody then they will be MURDERED...

DO you see, Nuray? Life is NOT simple... And especially not for Kurdish women... They face prosecution for being KURDS and are confined by nature for being WOMEN... So they have double as much trouble as you and me...

And it's realy tragic... But reality has always been tragic...

[nuray]

You heard that the PKK did the Şemzînan bombing???

Where were you when the media was revealing all the facts:

1) The soldiers of the Turkish army did it - while on duty...
2) They had more bombs in the back of their car...
3) They had lists and maps for their plan...
4) The soldiers who did this were not convicted in court - they are now free like birds... No sentence for them at all!!!

I know you don't look at them as terrorists - but that is how Kurds view them...
I know you look at the PKK as terrorists - but that is not how Kurds view them...

See? A fact:

So if you are Turk you will definetly call the PKK terrorists - and if you are Kurd you will definetly call the Turkish Army terrorists...

I know some Kurds rape and some Arabs rape and some Turks rape... TRUE! But - I am not talking about "some Turks" - I am talking about the Turkish army doing it. Often while they are on duty... You know why they do it? It is part of the assimilation policies: if they rape a girl, then they have to send her to somewhere else (to the Turkish part of Turkey) - because if she is raped, she will lose her viriginity - and nobody will marry her if they know she was raped - and her life will be in danger often because the family will think she did it herself (that she had sex with somebody of free will) and that would mean she is a "whore" and that means she is a stain on their pride... Do you see? It's not that Kurds are barbars - but if they KNEW she was RAPED by Turkish soldiers - then they wouldn't feel she was a "whore" - or that their pride was harmed...

It's all part of the Turkish assimilation policies... And it's been going on since the 20's...

And did you know, that when a Kurdish girl is raped by Turkish soldiers - often she will go to join the PKK - because she would feel ashamed to tell her parents she was raped... Or often the soldiers threaten the girls that if they tell anybody then they will be MURDERED...

DO you see, Nuray? Life is NOT simple... And especially not for Kurdish women... They face prosecution for being KURDS and are confined by nature for being WOMEN... So they have double as much trouble as you and me...

And it's realy tragic... But reality has always been tragic...

i was in yalova. when i hear there is bombing my first reaction alway is it must be pkk or tak. i thought it was pkk but then find out it was bad soldiers that did it cause of facts... do you understand now?
yes i call pkk terrorist . alot of zaza and kurds call them that too.
i know some psycho pervert soldiers rape ok. i do not believe alot of soldiers are doing this. yes i know what happen to women when they are raped. whatever reason they do it these men need be severely punished.i know she would want revenge and maybe join terrorist pkk. i know life is not simple especialy for kurdish women. i agree it is realy tragic.

[sicpit]

I if they rape a girl, then they have to send her to somewhere else (to the Turkish part of Turkey) - because if she is raped, she will lose her viriginity - and nobody will marry her if they know she was raped - and her life will be in danger often because the family will think she did it herself (that she had sex with somebody of free will) and that would mean she is a "whore" and that means she is a stain on their pride... Do you see? It's not that Kurds are barbars - but if they KNEW she was RAPED by Turkish soldiers - then they wouldn't feel she was a "whore" - or that their pride was harmed...

I hate that mentality, There is no excuse for this type attitude towards woman!

[Diri]

I if they rape a girl, then they have to send her to somewhere else (to the Turkish part of Turkey) - because if she is raped, she will lose her viriginity - and nobody will marry her if they know she was raped - and her life will be in danger often because the family will think she did it herself (that she had sex with somebody of free will) and that would mean she is a "whore" and that means she is a stain on their pride... Do you see? It's not that Kurds are barbars - but if they KNEW she was RAPED by Turkish soldiers - then they wouldn't feel she was a "whore" - or that their pride was harmed...

I hate that mentality, There is no excuse for this type attitude towards woman!

What are you on about Sicpit? Read the last line again please!

" It's not that Kurds are barbars - but if they KNEW she was RAPED by Turkish soldiers - then they wouldn't feel she was a "whore" - or that their pride was harmed... "

If they knew she was raped - they would go and murder the soldiers who did it...

And I don't think you or any other Western has the right to be so ego-centric and think your Western culture is superior to Eastern culture. We believe in honour and you believe in money...

One will do sick things for honour and the other will do sick things for money... Which one is better? None - they're just different and should be respected as such...

[sicpit]

What are you on about Sicpit? Read the last line again please!

" It's not that Kurds are barbars - but if they KNEW she was RAPED by Turkish soldiers - then they wouldn't feel she was a "whore" - or that their pride was harmed... "

If they knew she was raped - they would go and murder the soldiers who did it...

And I don't think you or any other Western has the right to be so ego-centric and think your Western culture is superior to Eastern culture. We believe in honour and you believe in money...

One will do sick things for honour and the other will do sick things for money... Which one is better? None - they're just different and should be respected as such...

lol, for western culture to be superior it would first have to have culture

You should know by now that I actually do favor Eastern culture more so then my own generic one. I love how west of Europe Asia, Middle East, Africa etc, there is so much culture, ancient religious traditions, dancing, and even religions. This is not to say that there aren't traditions that are counter productive, the mentality that if a woman gets raped she must be a whore, or that woman has to be pure, and woman are less then I will not tolerate, be it in the west, south, east or north.

I have known too many Woman and men who has either been raped or molested, and it's very natural with out outside influence to feel like a whore, and that this is someway their fault. I couldn't imagine being told you are a whore, or if a man being told you were gay. If we go into the honor aspect of, perhaps this is the kinder way to be with stones, then to be emotionally tormented. This is where I am coming from.

I am really surprised that you would come to the conclusion that I think the west is so much better...

[Diri]

No no nooooo....

That WAS the point I was making in my last sentence: if they knew she was RAPED - it would have been HER fault!!! So she WOULDN'T be considered a WHORE...

Get it now? THAT was why I reacted to your misunderstanding of my post...

But I see it's my own fault - I was too ambiguous...

And no - my conclusion wasn't that you are in favour of western culture - it's just I misunderstood YOU and before that, you misunderstood me - so basically: there was a breach in communication here...

You see I thought you meant to say this: "I hate that mentality, There is no excuse for this type attitude towards woman!" about having sex outside marriage (of free will)... I didn't think you meant it about women who are RAPED... Because then there is no problem - we AGREE and that is hardly a problem in Kurdistan or Kurdish culture (today)... It was a large problem before because one could hardly prove that one was "raped" to apathic people - but now a days people have open their minds more and become more understanding...

Yet I agree, if there is a case where people call a raped girl a whore, then that IS a disgusting mentality! Indeed...