American Students were shocked of DNA race test !

[Piling]

and a mixed Turkis-Kurdish Yezidi tribe :

An earlier example was the Germiyan, consisting of both Turks and Kurdish (Yezidi) tribesmen, who had been brought to Western Anatolia by the Saljuq as a militia guard against Turkish tribesmen."

in Agha, Shaikh and State, Martin van Bruinessen, 1978.

[tomjez]

n Narrative of a residence in Koordistan and the site of ancient Niniveh; with journal of a voyage down the Tigris to Bagdad and an account of a visit to Shirauz and Persepolis. RICH (Claudius James), London 1836.

Ahah Pilling, you remembered I read this book in your library while I was looking for stuff about Yezidis

Yep, that was the one I was talking about !

There is a branch of the Tai Arabs called Hababat, who more than a century ago, on some quarrel with the rest of the tribe, seceded to Sinjar. Their children became Yezids, and the race are now perfect Devil-Worshippers, speaking the language of the Yezids, and in noways distinguishable from them.

[Tirigan]

BUT :

are you aware that Sheikh Adi ibn Musafir was a Arab Quraysh and then all the first leaders of 'Adawiya were Arab until Mughal period ? Do you think that Kurdish sheikh did not marry with Arab descendants of Sheikh Adi 's brother because they were Arabs, though their familuy was honoured more than kings ? Do you know that al-'Adawiya was a great order not only in Kurdistan ? Do you know that Yezidi princes of Jazirah claim to have 'umayyad blood ? Do you know that ancient tribes, Arab or Kurds, were not racists and prefer to marry within the same religion or confederation than within the same "nation" but between different religion ?

OK Yezidi are PURE KURDISH BLOOD (if a such thing exist) So you have to hunt away these Arab sheikhs and sufis in 'Adawiya from you PURE BLOOD people's history

But it would dangerous for you to make a such test, let's avoid suicide...

Sheikh Adi was pure Kurd. it's a lie and arab propaganda to call Sheikh Adi an Arab.

Proof me that he was an ARAB!

We survived and our religion survived so much millenia. and stupid westerns will never change that.

[Tirigan]

What was the name of those “Arabic” tribes which joined Yezidi Kurds. So I want to know the names.

And what was the name to which Yezidi tribes they joined. We have got hundreds Yezidi tribes and clans. It’s theoretical impossible that strangers joined all Yezidi tribes in over all Kurdistan and in all villages high in Kurdish villages.

So I want also hear the names of Yezidi tribes to which “Arabs” joined to.

Names of Arabic tribes and names of Yezidi tribes.

I heard about these arabic tribes joining the Yezidi GROUP (race... ) in the XVI in a book in the KURDISH INSTITUTE OF PARIS...

It may sound terrible in your crazy aryan dreams, but historically it's not that weird...

I'm pure! I'm pure! I'm the purest! ........... so what??????????????????????????????????????????????,

SO you read 1 book and you think you know everything about us. Idiot.


I don't believe in ARYAN dreams. let wannabe ARYAN Europeans dream about ARYAM dreams.
I'm a KURD. and I'm not like Europeans, never was. And Europeans never were like us (KURDS) and never will be like us, Kurds!
We are children of great Hurrians and greta Medes. And who are you? What did you ancestros did for humanity?

BTW. Arabs and Turks are more mixed then Kurds!

[Tirigan]

There is a branch of the Tai Arabs called Hababat, who more than a century ago, on some quarrel with the rest of the tribe, seceded to Sinjar. Their children became Yezids, and the race are now perfect Devil-Worshippers, speaking the language of the Yezids, and in noways distinguishable from them.

in Narrative of a residence in Koordistan and the site of ancient Niniveh; with journal of a voyage down the Tigris to Bagdad and an account of a visit to Shirauz and Persepolis. RICH (Claudius James), London 1836.

Who wrote this? A Kurd? NO! A dirty Eurpean who thought that he could rewrite our history. WTF? he calls us devil-worshippers and we speak language of Yezidis? Our language is Kormanji, north KURDISH dialect! and not Yezidi.

Claudius James, whatever his name is, who wrote this. Knew nothing about us!

So this idiot Claudius is writing my history here? WTF is happenning here!

I can write everything about everybody what I want.

[Tirigan]

Concerning the "pure religious Yezidi tribes" :

in 1920s the population of Jabal Sinjar was extremely fragmented in terms of racial and religious composition. Some of the yazidi tribes of Sinjar were fairly heterogeneous communities which generally included a majority of Yazidi tribesmen together with smaller groups of Muslim Kurds, both Sunnis and extremists (ghulat). The largest community of the extremist Shi'is, the Babawat tribe, were so closely related to the Yazidi tribe of the Habbabat that the name of their sections were usually omitted in tribal lists which directly included Babawat tribesmen among the Habbabat. The presence of Yazidis and Muslims in the same tribal units reflects an important feature of of Kurdish tribalism which was represented in Jabal Sinjar. It was particularly evident in mixed tribal confederations living outside the Mountain such as the Milli and the Heverkan which included Muslims, Yazidi and Christians.

in The otehr Kurds, Yazidis in colonial Iraq, Nelida Fuccaro, 1999.

Arabs are not mentioned! In the beginning all Kurds were Yezidi. A lot Kurds converted to islam, even inside the tribes. so that's why in 1 tribe could be different religions.

REmber that in the beginning, before Islam, all KURDS were Yezidi!

[Tirigan]

and a mixed Turkis-Kurdish Yezidi tribe :

An earlier example was the Germiyan, consisting of both Turks and Kurdish (Yezidi) tribesmen, who had been brought to Western Anatolia by the Saljuq as a militia guard against Turkish tribesmen."

in Agha, Shaikh and State, Martin van Bruinessen, 1978.

well he names Turks and Kurdish (Yezidi) tribesmen separate! that mean that they are two differente groups.
AND again it's a European who writes about us.

BTW. I met ones Martin van Bruinessen. And I talked with him. Everything what he writes are not facts but his ideas!

[Tirigan]

Your objection is based on loose sand and not on any facts. I want to read facts and not speculations.

And btw. Why are you both so irritated?

[Vladimir]

Did you ever read a book of him? You want to discuss in real life Tirigan?

Don't make me laugh with your nationalistic theories. Nationalism comes from Europe. That's why you are talking about fantasy ancestors like the Medes and Hurrians now.

[Piling]

Sheikh Adi was pure Kurd. it's a lie and arab propaganda to call Sheikh Adi an Arab.

Proof me that he was an ARAB!

all contemporary historians (like Ibn Khallikan) and people who knew him said it. Only one christian monk, in 1452 said he was Kurd, many centuries after his dead and after Mongol invasion and Tamerlan's one, when 'Adawidya was scattered in ME and Asia.

Then if 6 or chroniclers wrote something, againt 1 who lived later, I am inclined to believe the first version.
But of course even if we make a DNA analysis on remains of Sheilh Adi's corpse, you would not believe. You only use science if it comfort you unrationnal belief But as Europe, Asia is one of the most often invaded continent, how could you be pure ?

And concerning Claudius James Rich a very bright man, speaking more Eastern languages than yourself he has been informed by Kurds and Yezidis in the place, for he was a great traveller. And these tribes themselves said they were Arabs originally, and it was not the only scholars who noticed it. Do you pretend to know better than themselves their genealogy ? What a Georgian Yezidi knows about Sinjar ?

[Piling]

And for Germiyan you should better to learn your own Kurdish history. For it was firstly a confederation, and then a principality ruled by Germiyan princes... At a time when even Turks and Greeks married each others, hard to imagine that members of the same confederation, then the same aristocracy, never married each others !

Everything what he writes are not facts but his ideas!

[Tirigan]

Did you ever read a book of him? You want to discuss in real life Tirigan?

Don't make me laugh with your nationalistic theories. Nationalism comes from Europe. That's why you are talking about fantasy ancestors like the Medes and Hurrians now.

Nah, Europeans are just jealous that Hurrians and Medes definitely are not their ancestors.
It’s proven that those people lived in Kurdistan. And where are they now? In Europe? Hahaha..

When Medes destroyed Assyrian empire, people in Europe were cannibals, hahaha.
When Medes started to believed in 1 GOD, people in Europe believed in monkeys, hahaha.
When Hurrians invented wine, honey, were the first farmers ever, etc., people in Europe walked here naked and were hunters and collectors, hahaha.

And now those people are deciding who KURDS are.
People in Europe saying that they are ARYAN for only 150 years or even less.
My people said that even 2000 years ago.

[Tirigan]

Sheikh Adi was pure Kurd. it's a lie and arab propaganda to call Sheikh Adi an Arab.

Proof me that he was an ARAB!

all contemporary historians (like Ibn Khallikan) and people who knew him said it. Only one christian monkey, in 1452 said he was Kurd, many centuries after his dead and after Mongol invasion and Tamerlan's one, when 'Adawidya was scattered in ME and Asia.

Then if 6 or chroniclers wrote something, againt 1 who lived later, I am inclined to believe the first version.

And concerning Claudius James Rich a very bright man, speaking more Eastern languages than yourself he has been informed by Kurds and Yezidis in the place, for he was a great traveller. And these tribes themselves said they were Arabs originally, and it was not the only scholars who noticed it. Do you pretend to know better than themselves their genealogy ?

My Shiekh (family Sheikh) told me that ADI was a Kurd. And all Sheiks in former USSR are telling that he was a KURD.

Who I'm going to believe about my religion? Outsiders or my religious leaders?

Those Claudius d*ck call us devil-worshippers. Everybody who is calling us Devil-Worshippers Yezidi Kurds never take them seriously.

[Tirigan]

What a Georgian Yezidi knows about Sinjar ?

....Asia is one of the most often invaded continent, how could you be pure ?...

My religious leaders have very close contact with those in Lalish.
And I'm not Georgian Yezidi. I'm Dutch (Yezdi) KURD from (born in) Georgia.

Yezidi Kurds are pure becuase their religion is Yezidism and they don't intermarry other people from other religions. And because we live in our high Kurdish mountanis, where no strangers come. It’s a very big violation of our religion if we marry Turks/Arabs. It’s forbidden! It’s written in our holy books that’s it’s forbidden.

this is the only difference between Yezidi Kurds and Muslim Kurds. Muslim Kurds are not disgusted marry other races, but Yezidsi Kurds are.

Sure maybe we worked together with other tribes but we never lived with each other and intermarry each other.

Even 10 years ago Yezidi Kurds in South Kurdistan helped and supported Sadam Hussein, the gratest enemy of all Kurds at that time.

If Yezidi Kurd marries people of other religion his children will be Kurds and not Yezidi anymore.

My uncle is married with a Russian woman. He has got a son with her. He is my cousin but according Yezidis he is not Yezidi anymore. He is definitely Kurd, but he is not an Yezidi.

[Piling]

LOL, fortunately I know much nice Yezidis, for from your words, Yezidis seem to be a bunch of racist and crazy people... With a such nationalist and fantasist history... as so insane than Turkish Grey Wolves...

You can choose to believe in religion more than in science, but then don't need to copy-paste fantasist so-called scientific stuff. Just say : "I am a believer, not an historien. Then I Believe and don't think"