More then One wife

[Piling]

Nothing is sure about that. Some tradition say that he could not read, and for people it is a proof that he was inspired by God, for how an illiterate man could have made a such beautiful text ? But in fact I am not agree, because there are oral cultures with very brilliant poets.

Some other scholars thought that he could read, but only Arab of course, then the text of the Bible could not have been directly red by him. But Judaic and Christian, and Sabean-Mandean traditions circulated among people, there were a lot of preachers, then no need to read the Bible for being aware of it. Even the Bible is a collecting of old semitic and mesopotamian traditions, and the New Testament was written around 60-100 years after Jesus's death, then are not direct documents. All these religions had oral transmissions in all the Middle-East and Anatolia.

[AlbaSaab]

Nothing is sure about that. Some tradition say that he could not read, and for people it is a proof that he was inspired by God, for how an illiterate man could have made a such beautiful text ? But in fact I am not agree, because there are oral cultures with very brilliant poets.

Some other scholars thought that he could read, but only Arab of course, then the text of the Bible could not have been directly red by him. But Judaic and Christian, and Sabean-Mandean traditions circulated among people, there were a lot of preachers, then no need to read the Bible for being aware of it. Even the Bible is a collecting of old semitic and mesopotamian traditions, and the New Testament was written around 60-100 years after Jesus's death, then are not direct documents. All these religions had oral transmissions in all the Middle-East and Anatolia.

But the Greak scriptures say that "All scrpiture is inspired of God". (second Timothy 3:16)

[Piling]

quote]All scrpiture is inspired of God". (second Timothy 3:16)[/quote]

Even Quran then ? and avesta, Rig-Veda, etc ?

In fact it is a muslim point of view too :Muslims considered that if a religion has a holy book and a prophet, they are not paganists. They have just a false version not like Quran which is the Truth according to their point of view.

By the way Paul was considered as a dangerous trouble-maker and even heretic by Petros and Jacob, who stayed good Jews...

[AlbaSaab]

quote]All scrpiture is inspired of God". (second Timothy 3:16)

Even Quran then ? and avesta, Rig-Veda, etc ?

In fact it is a muslim point of view too :Muslims considered that if a religion has a holy book and a prophet, they are not paganists. They have just a false version not like Quran which is the Truth according to their point of view.

By the way Paul was considered as a dangerous trouble-maker and even heretic by Petros and Jacob, who stayed good Jews...[/quote]

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I'm not going to present my side yet again, as I have had no facts to say contrary to what I am saying.. I will from now on ask my Muslim friends what they REALLY believe in.. And just for the record, I do know the Bible; I have been studying it for about 25 years!!

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/200 ... cle_02.htm - 18k

[Piling]

25 years is not much for reaching truth. Some did study during 50 years or more and were never sure. In fact, you'll be sure after your death if there is a life after life. In the contrary you'll never know. Then no need to worry.

[Vladimir]

^^^^^^
I'm not going to present my side yet again, as I have had no facts to say contrary to what I am saying.. I will from now on ask my Muslim friends what they REALLY believe in.. And just for the record, I do know the Bible; I have been studying it for about 25 years!!

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/200 ... cle_02.htm - 18k

What a waste of time...

[AlbaSaab]

^^^^^^
I'm not going to present my side yet again, as I have had no facts to say contrary to what I am saying.. I will from now on ask my Muslim friends what they REALLY believe in.. And just for the record, I do know the Bible; I have been studying it for about 25 years!!

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/200 ... cle_02.htm - 18k

What a waste of time...

Oh really?? Well thank you for your unbiased comment! How do you feel about Red Cross workers in Britain assisting Kurdish refugees? Is that also a waste of time??

[Larthan]

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[Larthan]

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[Larthan]

please don't compare islamic people to our pure country.
we have been pushed into islam.
we believe in love strongly and only with one woman. we believe that a woman has the equal powers as men. it is islam who belives in killing new born females because they are not male.
they also marry as many times as they want.
if you call your self muslim you must live by these rules.
i am not brainwashed by western world. i have freedom of speech.
and this enables me to explore the real islam.

Are u not able to write anything that we could understand ? ( MODERATION)

[freedom+unity]

please do not mess around lartfart.
we are trying to have debate.

[Vladimir]

Oh really?? Well thank you for your unbiased comment! How do you feel about Red Cross workers in Britain assisting Kurdish refugees? Is that also a waste of time??

Helping refugees and studying the bible are two different things. And I am not Kurdish... for your information..

[Amanc]

Well Polygamy is now forbidden by law in the new constitution of southern Kurdistan. Punishment is 2 years prison and 2.000.000. Iraqi Dinars addetional.

[Belingaz]

Thank you Amanc for bringing us back to the matter of marriage in Islam. Although I really love the debate between AlbaSaab and Piling regarding the Bible and Quran respectively, I for one would love to see what both you think on this matter?
AlbaSaab...Maybe you can tell us a little about the Mormons in America and their beliefs..I realize a lot would not call them Christains and I personally do not know what to call them, but as of recently we keep hearning that they are and as you can see where i am heading with this....they like muslims..they have multiple wives......as I am looking towards you as my Western Specialist now. I would greatly appreciate any knowledge you have on the subject matter. Thank you ahead of time...
and Piling bira please tell us more about Muslims and the issue of marriage. I believe that UmmAli was heading towards the right area and telling us ,according to shiria ... wjat islamic constitutional marriage law allowed and did not allow but I am not seeing more.
I can honestly say that the three of you have great knowledge of these two respective religions and want to see you all three think of these issues.
thank you all for sharing your ideas and knowledge with us, indeed by sharing your knowledge with us, you are all sharing a piece of yourself and your being with us....it is very hard to do this because many of us are afraid of being critized...myself first. yes even the computer screen blazing back at me can cause a lot of damage...not really just kidding...

[Piling]

Shari'a had restricted polygamy when it had been instaured (no more than 4 wives, equality of treatments, etc). Then polygamy is admitted but not especially praised, even tolerated. So it is not breaking a pillar of Sharia if it is forbidden. Many muslim countries forbid it.

But Islam was founded in ancient societies which practiced largely polygamy (instead of Christianism).
And many pious circles recommanded to imitate the Prophet (which was very fond of women and marriages ). So today, most Islamists are strongly attached to polygamy as essential to the spirit of islam but that is wrong.

"temporary" marriage is used today by Shiites, mostly. In fact it was a measure during war for men to have quick relations, for the comfort of warriors, I suppose. Polygamy is also a way for widows to find a husband when there are more men than women (because of war, Anfal, etc). And in a society where divorce is not easy for a woman if she is not economically independant, polygamy could be a compromise.

But of course the more the Kurdish society changes to "standard western" relations between men and women, the more polygamy becomes useless and seems scandalous.

And in general, people who defend polygamy as a factor or harmony in marriage are not ready to accept that women then, ask the same right to have several husbands