Guerrilla = Good?

[KuRdIsHgIrL]

KuRdIsHgIrL

KuRdIsHgIrL, alias GERILLA!

No, Good girl.

GERILLA=GOOD!!

[Diri]

@KurdishGirl

That depends - not all Guerilla is good...

[KuRdIsHgIrL]

@KurdishGirl

That depends - not all Guerilla is good...

okay okay..., but the most!

[Balci]

@KurdishGirl

That depends - not all Guerilla is good...

Well, there is a reason why they take arms against their government. They all are good people, but their methods may not be the best for the people.

[Diri]

@KurdishGirl

That depends - not all Guerilla is good...

Well, there is a reason why they take arms against their government. They all are good people, but their methods may not be the best for the people.

I disagree...

When one says "Guerilla" it doesn't equal "PKK" - and not all guerilla groups are made with the support of the people... And I disagree with them all being "good people" - how do we know that? I bet some of them are very lousy and low people... I bet some of them enjoy murdering and raping and doing whatever else which is destructive...

There are good and bad apples in all groups, nations, organizations etc... So I don't see how it would be any different with guerilla groups...

Yes, in most cases they take up arms for a reason, often a good reason, but some times not...

[Balci]

Well, If you ever been to a war, which you have not, you will find out that it is destroying good man in every single way, which make them ''bad people'' in your opinion, They got good intentions, when they revolt against their state, it's not for their own good, but for their people, it's nothing like the majority of PKK is fighting the Turkish government for personal gains, they go as far as sacrificing their own lives for their motherland and ethnics. They all know from the very start that the may end up being killed and never see the uprising of their country, they go trough extremely hard training, both in physics and mentally, and the constant fear of being killed, so it's definitively not for personal gains.

When you mention abuse of civilians, as rape and intended murdering of innocents, it's nothing, and I mean nothing more than one of the many bieffects of war. It have happened in every single war, from the dawn of mankind to the few remaining years of our civilization.

Don't tell me there exists a leftist guerrilla group which fight against an fascistic state, with minor- or non civilian followers. Guerrilla as a term, as far as I'm concerned, is only used by the people itself, and for revolutionary purposes, guerrilla's are demanded by the people itself, and are meant to help them, in every single way, everything from farming to counterattack the government, if they can't fulfill those tasks, they don't qualify as guerrillas, according to the one and only Guerrilla manifesto, written by mr.Guevara.

Guerrillas are brave people, they sacrifice everything they got to help others, when democratic solutions won't work. they can't fight the battle itself, they need the people with them.

No support in the masses - no guerrilla.

[Diri]

Well, If you ever been to a war, which you have not, you will find out that it is destroying good man in every single way, which make them ''bad people'' in your opinion, They got good intentions, when they revolt against their state, it's not for their own good, but for their people, it's nothing like the majority of PKK is fighting the Turkish government for personal gains, they go as far as sacrificing their own lives for their motherland and ethnics. They all know from the very start that the may end up being killed and never see the uprising of their country, they go trough extremely hard training, both in physics and mentally, and the constant fear of being killed, so it's definitively not for personal gains.

When you mention abuse of civilians, as rape and intended murdering of innocents, it's nothing, and I mean nothing more than one of the many bieffects of war. It have happened in every single war, from the dawn of mankind to the few remaining years of our civilization.

Don't tell me there exists a leftist guerrilla group which fight against an fascistic state, with minor- or non civilian followers. Guerrilla as a term, as far as I'm concerned, is only used by the people itself, and for revolutionary purposes, guerrilla's are demanded by the people itself, and are meant to help them, in every single way, everything from farming to counterattack the government, if they can't fulfill those tasks, they don't qualify as guerrillas, according to the one and only Guerrilla manifesto, written by mr.Guevara.

Guerrillas are brave people, they sacrifice everything they got to help others, when democratic solutions won't work. they can't fight the battle itself, they need the people with them.

No support in the masses - no guerrilla.

I have not been in a war, but you have? Is that what you are saying?

You know Balci, I was 110% sure that you were going to bring the PKK into this...

I am realy sick of discussing about the PKK - and I CERTAINLY was not talking about the PKK when I wrote my previous post...

You can't make up your own terms, Balci - "Guerrilla" has a specific meaning in English and that is:

guer·ril·la
–noun 1. a member of a band of irregular soldiers that uses guerrilla warfare, harassing the enemy by surprise raids, sabotaging communication and supply lines, etc.
–adjective 2. pertaining to such fighters or their technique of warfare: guerrilla strongholds; guerrilla tactics.

When you mention abuse of civilians, as rape and intended murdering of innocents, it's nothing, and I mean nothing more than one of the many bieffects of war. It have happened in every single war, from the dawn of mankind to the few remaining years of our civilization.

This is VERY ridiculous coming from a Kurd.... So then it's alright for the Turkish military to burn and raze Kurdish villages and rape, murder and torture Kurds...?

That's rubbish... It's not acceptable and it's not "nothing"... Rape and torture is not acceptable, no matter who does it... I can't see how you think it's "nothing"...

By saying that, you are legitimizing what the Turkish army has done and still does to Kurds...

[Balci]

'g'uer·ril·la
–noun 1. a member of a band of irregular soldiers that uses guerrilla warfare, harassing the enemy by surprise raids, sabotaging communication and supply lines, etc.
–adjective 2. pertaining to such fighters or their technique of warfare: guerrilla strongholds; guerrilla tactics. ''

and that changes.. what ?

and, I did NEVER say war crimes was okay, but if war ever brakes out, even you, your family, your best friends, would turn mad. They are put under an enormous pressure, and the human brain only do what is profitable for itself, gaining advantage over other beings have always been a instinct by animals and humans. it sucks,and you can't control it.

''You can't make up your own terms, Balci - "Guerrilla" has a specific meaning in English and that is: ''

Che Guevara made ''them up'', and I DO think that he may got more experience in it, than those who write dictionaries.

You tend to misunderstand everything I say, brother, now you though that I meant that rape and murder was just okay.

I was just using PKK as a example, I guessed that would be far more normal when on a Kurdish forum, than using south American guerrillas, which prolly is unknown to you. However, not even I can ignore the dark sides of PKK, which not make me a PKKci. They act as humans usually do in situations like that, and no one can blame them for that.

[KuRdIsHgIrL]

I bet some of them enjoy murdering and raping and doing whatever else which is destructive...

nobody is killing for fun...

they are taking vengeance for all the dead, for us, for our kids, mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters...

and i think i'll do the same, if they kill my whole family,
becoming insane or a guerilla fighter...

[Diri]

Okey before this topic moves ANY steps further:

We are NOT talking about the PKK!!!

I am not.

The topic is: "Guerrilla"

They can be found ANYWHERE in the world! So please don't make this a PKK thing...

[Balci]

I bet some of them enjoy murdering and raping and doing whatever else which is destructive...

nobody is killing for fun...

they are taking vengeance for all the dead, for us, for our kids, mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters...

and i think i'll do the same, if they kill my whole family,
becoming insane or a guerilla fighter...

Finally, a Kurd who isn't brainwashed by ''peace'' propaganda on this forum.

She did not include PKK or Kurdistan anywhere in her post, which also could mean she support any guerrilla.

[Diri]

I bet some of them enjoy murdering and raping and doing whatever else which is destructive...

nobody is killing for fun...

they are taking vengeance for all the dead, for us, for our kids, mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters...

and i think i'll do the same, if they kill my whole family,
becoming insane or a guerilla fighter...

Finally, a Kurd who isn't brainwashed by ''peace'' propaganda on this forum.

She did not include PKK or Kurdistan anywhere in her post, which also could mean she support any guerrilla.

Your comment says it all, Balci... Show some respect. Who is brainwashed?

She wrote: "for us, for our kids" - how much more personal can it get? By "us" she means herself and her group = Kurds...


You realy disappointed me, though...

[Balci]

... I didn't quite understand that? No point getting all railed up every time you missunderstand me or getting to emotional.

[Diri]

... I didn't quite understand that? No point getting all railed up every time you missunderstand me or getting to emotional.

Well maybe I should feed you with tea spoons, pay attention:

they are taking vengeance for all the dead, for us, for our kids, mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters...

"They" = The PKK
"Us" = We Kurds
"Our kids" = "Kurdish kids"

That is why I said "This is not about the PKK" - and no I am not taking it personally - but you are obviously... An apology for calling me "brainwashed" would be due - if you have the decency to... But I guess Darkseid has had his say...

[Balci]

... I didn't quite understand that? No point getting all railed up every time you missunderstand me or getting to emotional.

Well maybe I should feed you with tea spoons, pay attention:

they are taking vengeance for all the dead, for us, for our kids, mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters...

"They" = The PKK
"Us" = We Kurds
"Our kids" = "Kurdish kids"

That is why I said "This is not about the PKK" - and no I am not taking it personally - but you are obviously... An apology for calling me "brainwashed" would be due - if you have the decency to... But I guess Darkseid has had his say...

Darkseid xD

anyways, We will never get any independence trough diplomatic solutions, and you even know that better than me, and then war is the last solution. If you'd want our children to see Kurdistan.