Assyrian Poppulation around 1915-1916

[Rumtaya]

Aserbeidschan im Nordosten Irans vor 1915: ca.70.000
In Hakkari und im Grenzgebiet: ca.160.000
In der Provinzstadt Sivas: ca.25.000
In der Provinzstadt Harput: ca.5.000
In der Provinzstadt Diyarbakir: ca.60.000
In der Provinzstadt Van: ca.98.000
In der Provinzstadt Bitlis: ca.15.000
Im Gebiet von Tur-Abdin: ca.200.000
In Mossul und Umgebung: ca.100.000
In Sapna: ca.10.000
In Zibar: ca.15.000
In Botan: ca.5.000
Im unteren Bervar: ca.5.000
In Urfa: ca.5.000
In Siirt und Umgebung: ca 25 000

Resource:http://www.bethil.org/genocide/sayfo-dossier-de/anzahl.htm


there are missing the numbers of Assyrians in Kirkuk, Bagdad, urmia, Syria and some other parts.

[tomjez]

I just read a book written by an english traveller in south kurdistan in the XIX.

He said there were no christian in Erbil (1820)...

[Rumtaya]

it could be that around 1820 no Christians lived in Arbil. Well since 1300 most fleed out of arbil, tikri and that areas. just in Duhok, Nineveh p lains have been Assyrians mostly this of the catholic church(chaldean church).

[tomjez]

Yeah but so even if there is no assyrian for 700 years it is still an assyrian city????

[Diri]

This is hopeless...

SO WHAT? Assyrianswere genocided... SO WERE WE...

[Rumtaya]

This is hopeless...

SO WHAT? Assyrianswere genocided... SO WERE WE...

the kurds were what???
Did the kurds sit at home and then the turks or arabs just came and killed them was that so?? Or did the kurds fight and then they came killed alot of kurds wasnt that so??


dotn compare the Genozid of Assyrians with kurdish one.

just remeber the massacre of simele in the north iraq killing 3000 innocent Assyrians by the hand of the IRAQI ARMY.

[Rumtaya]

Yeah but so even if there is no assyrian for 700 years it is still an assyrian city????

Go ask the Israelis if Jerusalem is a Israeli city!

[Piling]

Did the kurds sit at home and then the turks or arabs just came and killed them was that so?? Or did the kurds fight and then they came killed alot of kurds wasnt that so??

Kurds are proud, independant and refuse to live as slaves. It is a good point for them.

And Kurdish civilians, children, old people, women, were massacred as Kurdish men. Were they guilty ?

And Kurds did not revolt against a nice and peaceful and democratic state. They revolted constantly agaisnt a state - Iraq- which was a machine to crush Kurds. SO their revolt is absolutely legal : it is the right of self-determination and the right to rebel against a criminal power.

So they deserve this country and cities as Hewlêr because they sacrify themselves to preserve it.

[Rumtaya]

Kurds are proud, independant and refuse to live as slaves. It is a good point for them.

When did Kurds lived as Slaves? At the time of the Kurdish Aghas who tyranisit their Assyrian neighbours???

And Kurdish civilians, children, old people, women, were massacred as Kurdish men. Were they guilty ?

Where the Assyrians guilty as they were killed at the first world war? oh no it wasnt killing it was more like slaughtering a sheep with no pardon barbars. Your Kurdish man did start making war to the states because of your own stupidness that you couldnt unite at the first world. Your own fault!

And Kurds did not revolt against a nice and peaceful and democratic state. They revolted constantly agaisnt a state - Iraq- which was a machine to crush Kurds. SO their revolt is absolutely legal : it is the right of self-determination and the right to rebel against a criminal power.

So they deserve this country and cities as Hewlêr because they sacrify themselves to preserve it.

Then we Assyrians deserve Hakkari, north iraq and urmi area they were also killef for this lands at the first world war.

First they helped the Turks to finish with Assyrians then they took over Assyrians cities and land and now they want to make them as kurdistan yeah thats Ironic isnt it? And now you make war with those people who you suppourtet

Poor my People i just can say.

For sure you did Revolt and always as you start to Revolt assyrians had to flee their lands i think thats a tactic of Kurds to get the Assyrians out of their homeland ASSYRIA.

But you know what noone will stay without a punishement!



KURDS WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE that you are not excepting!

[Piling]

In Hakkari there were Assyrian aghas too, and they did not care a lot of their own rayas...

And these stupid leaders too, when they chose to ally with Russians and English made serious mistakes, a disaster for their own people.

But I won't say (like you) that they deserved what happened.

And you are so blindful by your hatred of Kurds that you wash Ottoman empire and Turks of the genocide, as if it were a "deliberate" plot of Kurds and not of Young Turks.

YOU did not deserve Hakkari because YOU never fought for this land. A lot of young Kurds from the diaspora came to guerilla in the mountains, fighting for a cause they believed just. What have you done, and which kind of rights have you on this country ? Don't talk to me about your ancestors. It is YOUR claims. When they wanted to conquest Palestine, Jews did not say only "our ancestors, bla bla bla". They went and stayed and fought. But just calling to war by staying on his armchar, in a conmfortable Western country gives you no right on Hakkari. Only people who live there have.

[Rumtaya]

Keep Hakkari for you i dont want it.

And no i dont have a warm chair who is telling you that. Who is saying the Assyrians here in Europe arent doing anything for those in the Middle east.

Because we are not there and fighting that dont mean we dont suppourt them we make the Assyrian voice heard here in the medians we help our people by money.

We dont work for Assyria by killing people. I am paraying for the enmeies of us and wishing the best this is the best kind of war but you dont know it.

What did the Assyrian leaders you should read the ebook The Flickering light of asia or the Betrail of Britishman to Assyrians.

And no i am not making kurds guilty for the Genzoid the Young Turks planned it but it was mostly done by KURDISH hands that is my point you suppourted that plane of devil.

The Kurdish Tribes didnt have to do that but they did it thats my point but you dont understand it you dont want to see the truth.

Well again for Hakkari Assyrians used to live there but again they were killed and forced to flee so from 160 000 Assyrians at the time of 1915 therer are today just hmm 200 or less who know if we wouldnt be genozid there might be now more then one million Asyrians only in the Haklkari area.


do you understand it i hope you did neither i am helpless.


Israelis were suppourtet by British Goverment they were armed by them who is arming the Assyrians who is helping them??????

Be patient we have a fair world.

[Diri]

This is STUPID! Rumtaya - you need to get your head out of that black hole... You have NO SYMPATHY and NO LOGIC...


Was Al-Anfal not a GENOCIDE?

Is not 80 + YEARS of Turkish murder/rape CULTURAL GENOCIDE?

Is not Persian denial of Kurdish existence and oppression CULTURAL GENOCIDE?


Damn all egoist Assyrians...

[Rumtaya]

This is STUPID! Rumtaya - you need to get your head out of that black hole... You have NO SYMPATHY and NO LOGIC...

My head is not in a black hole dont worry. Your wrong i have sympathy for an Kurdish State and i know that Assyrians lived now better beside Kurds then beside other people thats nice but what your leaders are doing is S H I T.

Was Al-Anfal not a GENOCIDE?

I dont know the Reason for the Anfal i have to read about it. For sure it was a war against the Kurds or against every nonbathist that you know also the Assyrians and Shia suffered.

Is not 80 + YEARS of Turkish murder/rape CULTURAL GENOCIDE?

Hmm Turkey you cant say it Turks just start to do it if the Kurdish leaders were smarter you wouldnt have those problems today.

Is not Persian denial of Kurdish existence and oppression CULTURAL GENOCIDE?

Well that is your Islam State my dear Friend for sure its not right and like i said noone will be without punishment. But just look at the realtion with the Kurdish leaders of iraqi kurdistan to Turkey and to Iran.

Damn all egoist Assyrians...

You know what egoist is right? But thanks for the nice word ill keep that in mind i know how you think about me. I am not a backstabber or a hater.

But that you want your freeness that dont mean you have to opress other people for it.

[Diri]

This is STUPID! Rumtaya - you need to get your head out of that black hole... You have NO SYMPATHY and NO LOGIC...

My head is not in a black hole dont worry. Your wrong i have sympathy for an Kurdish State and i know that Assyrians lived now better beside Kurds then beside other people thats nice but what your leaders are doing is S H I T.

Sympathy for a Kurdish state is NOTHING if you don't understand WHYYYYYY we deserve it...

Was Al-Anfal not a GENOCIDE?

I dont know the Reason for the Anfal i have to read about it. For sure it was a war against the Kurds or against every nonbathist that you know also the Assyrians and Shia suffered.

According to YOU - there was no ASSYRIAN GENOCIDE - it was a CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE... So your people was NEVER GENOCIDED, EITHER!

Is not 80 + YEARS of Turkish murder/rape CULTURAL GENOCIDE?

Hmm Turkey you cant say it Turks just start to do it if the Kurdish leaders were smarter you wouldnt have those problems today.

That is just STUPID... Go read some KURDISH HISTORY instead of Assyrian history - and don't read Kemalist history...

Is not Persian denial of Kurdish existence and oppression CULTURAL GENOCIDE?

Well that is your Islam State my dear Friend for sure its not right and like i said noone will be without punishment. But just look at the realtion with the Kurdish leaders of iraqi kurdistan to Turkey and to Iran.

Why do you think I meant the Islamic revolution/state? POLITICS...

Damn all egoist Assyrians...

You know what egoist is right? But thanks for the nice word ill keep that in mind i know how you think about me. I am not a backstabber or a hater.

You are acting VERY EGO-CENTRIC now... That is YOUR fault... You are whining about "Assyrian Genocide" (according to you it doesn't exist) while you don't understand that Kurds have suffered for 80 years - and Assyrians suffered for 15 years... Can you compare?

But that you want your freeness that dont mean you have to opress other people for it.

Don't be silly... Our freedom is YOUR freedom... 5 Assyrians in the KURDISTAN REGIONAL GOVERNMENT... ISHTAR TV WITH KURDISTAN REGIONAL GOVERNMENT...

THE PRIME MINISTER OF KURDISTAN REGION IS AN ASSYRIAN - WHEN NÊCHÎRWAN BARZANÎ IS NOT IN KURDISTAN...

[Piling]

I dont know the Reason for the Anfal i have to read about it. For sure it was a war against the Kurds or against every nonbathist that you know also the Assyrians and Shia suffered.

You have to read a lot of books concerning Anfal... For Baathists wanted to eliminate all non-Arab population in the country. So they asked to Chrsitians and Turkmens to sign a paper telling that they were Arabs. And they refused and had been eliminated like Kurds. And a lot of churches had been destroyed by Iraqi soldiers... If you are so concerned about that country, your parties and associations had never informed you about the Anfal for Christians in Kurdistan ??? You want to seize this country and you don't know enven the recent history of your "compatriots" ?

Kurds had never asked to Assyrians to state they are Kurds... and as Diri said they have more POLITICAL rights in Kurdistan than in the rest of Iras and even all the world !