mother in kurmanji

[sorgul]

that is soooooo sweet!
yade...is that the same a ade?
and some zaho people say oda
but i always say yade/ade

[ChiChalok]

i say da .. or dade ..

[dyaoko]

that is soooooo sweet!
yade...is that the same a ade?
and some zaho people say oda
but i always say yade/ade

Yade is sweet, by the way sorgul , my aunt calls her sister (my mother) Ade.

in Kurdish we call our relatives what we want..there is no rule.
for example my cousins call their Father (my uncle) "Kako"
he he

[kardox]

Dear chava , Im still thinking about it, but it is my Yade and not a crazy Viking or something , but thanks i will reconsider it .


And sorgul, yes we say "oda" too sometimes, but we use also , daye and da too.

and diyako, kako is a very good word, we use it alot. Especially the women use it alot. When u like someone u say to him kako, it almost means dear.


thx

[Baran Ruciyar]

hmm... we in Serhad area say (' ' Cî ' ')

Cîya mi = my mother
Cîya te = your mother
Cîya wî = its mother
Cîya me = our mother

[Amanc]

hmm... we in Serhad area say (' ' Cî ' ')

Cîya mi = my mother
Cîya te = your mother
Cîya wî = its mother
Cîya me = our mother

please tell us how you say "CLOSE THE DOOR" in Serhad

[Baran Ruciyar]

you you you... Dei older one say: , Derî bigre '' young people: , Derî kapatmiske ''
Serhadî is still cleaner nevertheless than many other Kurmanci dialects.

cî comes of dê (dîya min, daykamin)
yade is semitisch; -)

[Diri]

Well, yes, Serhedî dialects are less influenced by outsiders - because of the geographical area it is:



This is Lake Wan - this land is called Serhed - and it's one of the highest and most mountainious areas of Kurdistan...

Colemêrg, Wan, Bidlîs, Mûş, Varto, Agrî etc... Are all provinces in Serhed...

The average altitude is: ca. 2000 meters above sea level...

Bijî Kurdistan...

[Baran Ruciyar]

Serhed comes of ,,Ser hext '' in Serhed both Kurdish dialects Kurmanci and Kirmancki spoken dialect of Kurmanci SERHADKÎ OR BEYAZIDÎ called, also the Turks calls this region SERHAT. it covers Kurdish provinces Erzirom, Mush, Chewlik, Erdehan, Qers, Maku, Agirî, Idil and divides from Wan and Bedlîs.

biminîn xweshîye da
sheva we xwesh be

[Diri]

Serhed comes of ,,Ser hext '' in Serhed both Kurdish dialects Kurmanci and Kirmancki spoken dialect of Kurmanci SERHADKÎ OR BEYAZIDÎ called, also the Turks calls this region SERHAT. it covers Kurdish provinces Erzirom, Mush, Chewlik, Erdehan, Qers, Maku, Agirî, Idil and divides from Wan and Bedlîs.

biminîn xweshîye da
sheva we xwesh be

"And divides from Wan & Bedlîs"... What do you mean?

And Beyazidî is just the sub-dialect of Kurmancî spoken in Beyazîd and surrounding areas...

[Emanoelkurdistani]

@ Kak Diri

"badimcana sor" or "bacana sor" is a Turkfyed composition, as in Azerbaijani and central Turkish dialects (spoken in centre of Turkey) there is : "girmizi badimcan". which is equal to "badimcana sor" or "bacana sor". Vegetables and plants such as tomatoes, potatoes, coffee, etc. are originated from west. Hence their names are western names. For tomatoes we have "tomate" in Soranî but in Erdellanî accent they say "tomatez" which is borrowed from English. There is , as I know, same conditions in Turkish that they say "tomatez" too. Both are directly borrowed from English. I think Soranî "tomate" sounds better than "badimcana sor" and "tomatez" both.



@ Kak Diyako
I have not heard about word "tatty" (daddy) in Kurdish however its existence is justly possible. I just have heard of "tat" in Lekî dialect meaning "paternal uncle".
"Maman" is a French word which has entered Persian and some urban Kurdish varieties. In Persian they say "maman" and in Erdellanî "meman" both directly from French root.

** "Paradise" is an ancient Kurdish word composed of "para" and "daisa" or "daidha". "Para" in ancient Kurdish, language of Avesta, means "fore" "around" and in modern Kurdish there is "ber" and "ver" [zazakî]. "Daidha" or "daisa" means "wall" which is disappeared in modern Kurdish. Totally "paradaisa" or "paradaidha" means "around the walls" "inside the walls" that in Avestan has turned into "inside the garden" or "heavenly garden" (= paradise). Originally in old Iranian languages "beheşt" means "paradise" (Sogdian "veheştag", modern Persian "bêhêşt" and Kurdish "beheşt"). In Persian "paradaisa" remained as "firdews" (later "fêrdows"). We might use "peredîs" in modern Kurdish. Indeed further researches about movement of this word in Kurdish is required.

Mother
Kurmancî : dayik, dayîk, dayk, da, dade, daye, dê, adê, dayê, mak, ma, mader
Soranî : dayk, dayke, daye, dade, da, mak, mader, madir and dadadê [as my mother always says!] (ada : bigger sister, bigger aunt, in occasion "grandma")
Goranî (Hewramî, Lekî, Kelhûrî) : mar, ma, madir, mader, dayk, da, dayê, daye, dade
Kirmanckî (Zaza, Kirmanckî, Dimîlkî) : ma, mae, maye, mar, dayîk, da

dade > dae > daye*, da; daye : [day* > dê*], [+k > dayek > dayik*, dayîk*, dayk*, dayke*]
mader > madir*, mar*, mae* > maye*, ma* > +k > mak*]

[Diri]

@ Kak Diri

"badimcana sor" or "bacana sor" is a Turkfyed composition, as in Azerbaijani and central Turkish dialects (spoken in centre of Turkey) there is : "girmizi badimcan". which is equal to "badimcana sor" or "bacana sor". Vegetables and plants such as tomatoes, potatoes, coffee, etc. are originated from west. Hence their names are western names. For tomatoes we have "tomate" in Soranî but in Erdellanî accent they say "tomatez" which is borrowed from English. There is , as I know, same conditions in Turkish that they say "tomatez" too. Both are directly borrowed from English. I think Soranî "tomate" sounds better than "badimcana sor" and "tomatez" both.

Dêy kake...

What is your logic? Just because some people say "Sor" after "Badimcan" it means we have it from Turks?

Why is "Badimcan" not a Kurdish word? Do you know what "Badem" is?

Here is what we call things in Colemêrg:


Badimcana Sor


Badimcana Reş

Now tell me why we don't say "Aubergine" in Kurdistan... Why is it that we say "Badimcana Reş"? According to your logic, it comes from Turkish too?

[Baran Ruciyar]

also shares from wan and bedlis... Serhadî (Serhadkî) and Beyazidî are the same;-)

@Kek Emanoelkurdistani
the Kurmanci speaker in Erzirom, Qers, Agri, idil, Ardahan etc. Say: ,,Cîya min" (" my mother ").

[Emanoelkurdistani]

@ Kak Diri

"badimcana sor" or "bacana sor" is a Turkfyed composition, as in Azerbaijani and central Turkish dialects (spoken in centre of Turkey) there is : "girmizi badimcan". which is equal to "badimcana sor" or "bacana sor". Vegetables and plants such as tomatoes, potatoes, coffee, etc. are originated from west. Hence their names are western names. For tomatoes we have "tomate" in Soranî but in Erdellanî accent they say "tomatez" which is borrowed from English. There is , as I know, same conditions in Turkish that they say "tomatez" too. Both are directly borrowed from English. I think Soranî "tomate" sounds better than "badimcana sor" and "tomatez" both.

Dêy kake...

What is your logic? Just because some people say "Sor" after "Badimcan" it means we have it from Turks?

Why is "Badimcan" not a Kurdish word? Do you know what "Badem" is?

Here is what we call things in Colemêrg:


Badimcana Sor


Badimcana Reş

Now tell me why we don't say "Aubergine" in Kurdistan... Why is it that we say "Badimcana Reş"? According to your logic, it comes from Turkish too?

Indeed bro! "Badimcana reş" is a Turkfied composition too. Common Iranian "badêmcan" (also "badimcan", "bayincan", "bamcan", "badêmcûn", "badêncan:, "bayêncan") "eggplant" is same in all Iranian languages and their different varieties. But Kurmancî "badimcana reş" follows a Turkish manner "qere (-kara) badimcan". For Kurdish "tomate" (tomatoes) and "badimcan" (also "bamcan", "bayincan" etc. eggplant) are sensible.

[Diri]

I disagree, kake...

Because it is in man's nature to name things differently by their quality - to distinquish them from other similar things/names...

When speaking we say "Badimcan" for tomatoes, and "Badimcana Reş" for aubergine...

One can only distinguish the two by color or shape if both are named "Badimcan"...

Hence the add-on "Reş" or "Sor"... So no - I disagree with you... What makes you think that Kurds borrowed that logic from the Turks? Who says it wasn't the other way around? We all know the Turks are descendants of a barbar central Asian culture - they had little or no knowledge of vegetables, agriculture etc...


So I stand firm - the add-on Reş or Sor is to distinguish the two from one another - because of their similarities in name - one is forced to point out the obvious characteristic difference (one being red and the other black) to create understanding...