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Kurdish Authorities Outlaw Assyrian Language in North Iraq

PostAuthor: King Ashurbanipal » Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:59 am

Kurdish Authorities Outlaw the Assyrian Language in North Iaq

Dohuk, North Iraq
- Kurdish authorities are preventing Assyrian businesses from using Assyrian names or putting up signs using the Assyrian language on the front of their stores, according to the Assyrian website assyrian4all.net.

Kurdish authorities have informed businesses that they may use Kurdish or English only. An Assyrian businessman observed that this policy is no different from that under Saddam's regime, when Assyrians were forced to use Arabic instead of Assyrian names.

http://assyrian4all.net/akhne/viewtopic.php?t=1444
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Assyrian language (also known as Syriac/ Neo-Aramaic) is one of the most ancient Semitic languages in Middle East, which Jesus Christ spoke, today it is facing excitation and is banned by the Kurdish Radical authorities in Iraq.
"Not a Kurd or Arab but Assyrian".
-I Respect any person who respect my national Assyrian (also known as Chaldeans and Syriacs) Identity. Long Live Ashuria.
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PostAuthor: King Diyako » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:06 pm

That is all lies!!
Let say even your story is true..look your topic headlines ”northern Iraq”...since you and your websites haven’t get used to use word "Kurdistan" and no respect and dignity to Kurdish nation and its soils..what can you expect you dirty traitors, go live in Arabia they will have better treatment for you..!! wake up arabo!! northen iraq is south of Mosel. Iraq is Gone!!!

if you not happy of Kurdish hospitality then leave go live with your ,Arab cousin, they waiting to have some gang bang with you!!!
Her tîşt ji Bu Medya,Ji Bu Kurdistan!!!
The Medes,The First!!!
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PostAuthor: King Ashurbanipal » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:56 pm

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"Not a Kurd or Arab but Assyrian".
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:47 pm

Assyrian? You mean Aramean or Syriac. Do you have some other sources, besides this obvious nationalist Assyrian website? The Kurdish constitution doesn't outlaw the Syriac language.
The suppression of ethnic cultures and minority religious groups in attempting to forge a modern nation were not unique to Turkey but occurred in very similar ways in its European neighbours - Bruinessen.

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PostAuthor: Balci » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:49 pm

lawl, you, King Ashurbanipal, must be the biggest n00b i've ever seen.
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PostAuthor: baskurd » Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:04 pm

assyria are dead just like the dinasours are :lol: :D

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PostAuthor: King Ashurbanipal » Wed May 09, 2007 9:34 am

And you came to this fast conclusion with your what?…Master Degree in anthropology from Oxford?…Or your Doctorate degree in Genetic science?…keep dreaming. Now I know why the Kurds blocks Assyrians from the last elections?
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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Wed May 09, 2007 2:43 pm

King Ashurbanipal wrote:Image


I actually find this picture funny lol thx for posting it :)

we are mountain ppl and we are proud.
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Wed May 09, 2007 5:05 pm

Vladimir wrote:Assyrian? You mean Aramean or Syriac. Do you have some other sources, besides this obvious nationalist Assyrian website? The Kurdish constitution doesn't outlaw the Syriac language.


You seem not to have really the clue about Assyrians, well can´t blame you...you might be abit mellow because from all the hash smoke, which is in the Netherlands....

http://www.christiansofiraq.com/facts.html

educated yourself about the assyrian origins, the texts are with sources, so that you can look into the books or papers from where it is taken out!

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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Thu May 10, 2007 12:39 pm

How nice, a source that comes from a forum.. trustworthy...
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 10, 2007 1:02 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:How nice, a source that comes from a forum.. trustworthy...


you seem to be narrowminded

I wrote that, the statments which are in the text have always a source from where they are taken....

here are some example:

The Nagshe Rostam inscription by Darius (512-48) which lists the national types of the Persian Empire includes the Assyrians . A reference to them reads as: "Iyam Asuryah", "this is an Assyrian" which is very similar to the term "Suryah" a name christian Assyrians have identified themselves by.
(Sukumar Sen, "Old Persian Inscriptions of the Achamenian Emperors," University of Calcutta 1941 p. 107)

Those who question the identity of the contemporary Assyrians justify it by saying "they have been known primarily as Syrians and Surai during most of the christian Era." They seem not to realize that the region west of Euphrates was Called Syria becuase it did not have a known national identity and was part of the Assyrian empire.

A new bilingual inscription in Hieroglyphic Luwian and Phoenician discovered in Turkey at Çineköy, in the vicinity of Adana by Recai Tekoglu and André Lemaire provides incontrovertible evidence that 'Surai' i.e, Syrian meant Assyrian to the Luwians the ally of the Assyrians long before Greeks used the term.

This one is the newst thing to be found about the name Syrian and Assyrian


The third century Roman historian Justinus also attests to this fact. He wrote: "The Assyrians, who were afterwards called Syrians, held their empire for thirteen hundred years." (Marcus Junianus Justinus Epitome of the Philippic, "History of Pompeius Trogus", translated by Rev. John Selby Watson. (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1853)

The second century Tatian identified himself as Assyrian. He wrote, "I was born in the land of the Assyrians.."
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-36.htm
His contemporary Lucian of Samostosa, in his "Goddess of Syria" wrote : "I that write [this] am "Assourious" [Assyrian]".
(Lucian, Translated by A.M. Harmon, Vol. IV, "The godesse of Surrye", London 1925 p.339.)

The Armenians who have lived side by side with the Assyrians have always called them Assori, i.e Assyrian as have other nationalities. Following is an early century Armenian document "perhaps the earliest original writing in Classical Armenian. This reading is taken from Books V and VI." which describes how an Assyrian bishop was instrumental in inventing the Armenian alphabet in 420 AD.

This is evident in the writings by writers whose knowledge of the Christian Assyrian history is limited. Gavin Menzies in his "1421 The Year China Discovered America" rightly credits the Church of the East, otherwise known as Nestorian, for having taken Christianity to China, but he claims that the church thrived in Syria during the sixth century. (Kevin Menzies, "1421 The Year China Discovered America", Harper Collins 2003 p.115) In fact the Church of the East was outlawed in the Byzantine empire including Syria. It prospered in Mesopotamia under the Persian rule and it was from Assyria that missionaries went to China, India and Japan, among other places.

Thimithy I (770-823), patriarch of the Church of the East in a letter to the monks of Mar Marun declares that Babylonia, Persia and Assyria, all the countries of the East, such as India and China were under his jurisdiction. (William G. Young, "Patriarch, Shah and Caliph", Christian Study Center, Rawalpindi, Pakistan 1974, p.152)





The Vatican documents indicate that when the Chaldean Church was established by Sulaga in 1553, Pope Julius III proclaimed him patriarch of "Mosul and Athur" on Feb. 20, 1553. (Catholic Encyclopedia, "Chaldean Rite ", 1967, Vol. III, pp.427-428) Roman documents originally refer to Sulaga as the elected patriarch of "the Assyrian Nation". (Xavier Koodapuzha, "Faith and Communion in the Indian Church of Saint Thomas Christians, Oriental Institute of Religious Studies, Kerala, India, p.59)

According to the Chronicle of the Carmelites Sulaga was proclaimed "Patriarch of the Eastern Assyrians" but on 19, 4, 1553 he was redefined as the "Patriarch of the Chaldeans". Perhaps the change of mind was intended to distinguish between those who joined the Catholic Church verses those who did not or may be it was a matter of associating these new Catholics with the Nestorians of Cyprus who were labeled Chaldeans by Pope Eugene IV on August 7, 1445 after they joined the Roman Catholic church. (George V. Yana (Bebla), "Myth vs. Reality" JAAStudies, Vol. XIV, No. 1, 2000 p. 80)



now you might have understood, that those are not biased statments...and that they are trustworthy!!!

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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 10, 2007 8:37 pm

I think Kurds and Assyrians should work together rather than against each other. Why can't we name the region above Arab influence, West of Iran, East of Turkey, and South of Armenia and Georgia by a name that can incorporate both Assyrians and Kurds.

Isn't there a name we could call such a region?

Maybe we can call it something differently in different Languages but refer to it in the same extent.

Like in Kurdish, you call it what you want that doesn't reflect your ethnic identity, since your entire ethnic region is going to be a part of this super regional area.

And in Assyrian, you call it what you want that doesn't reflect your ethnic identity, since your entire ethnic region is going to be a part of this super regional area.

If you want to, you could even call it the Federation of Assyria and Kurdistan.

But I was thinking of it including Turkey, the Iraqi Turkmen state when that is established, Zazastan, and some other ethnical states in that area as well.

But maybe it should be divided into Anatolia (containing Zazastan, Turkey, and various other states in that area) and some yet to be called State encompassing Assyria, Iraq (Iraqi Turkemen), and Kurdistan with the possibility of it containing other states as well.
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Fri May 11, 2007 1:33 pm

Darkseid wrote:I think Kurds and Assyrians should work together rather than against each other. Why can't we name the region above Arab influence, West of Iran, East of Turkey, and South of Armenia and Georgia by a name that can incorporate both Assyrians and Kurds.

Isn't there a name we could call such a region?

Maybe we can call it something differently in different Languages but refer to it in the same extent.

Like in Kurdish, you call it what you want that doesn't reflect your ethnic identity, since your entire ethnic region is going to be a part of this super regional area.

And in Assyrian, you call it what you want that doesn't reflect your ethnic identity, since your entire ethnic region is going to be a part of this super regional area.

If you want to, you could even call it the Federation of Assyria and Kurdistan.

But I was thinking of it including Turkey, the Iraqi Turkmen state when that is established, Zazastan, and some other ethnical states in that area as well.

But maybe it should be divided into Anatolia (containing Zazastan, Turkey, and various other states in that area) and some yet to be called State encompassing Assyria, Iraq (Iraqi Turkemen), and Kurdistan with the possibility of it containing other states as well.



We have a name for the place, where the Assyrian Homeland lies it is called Mesopotamia, and the northern part of it is Assyria!

The Kurds have also a name, EastAnatolia and Zagros is where their homeland lie and its called Kurdistan or Kurdia...

Still we have a problem, which is this :

Look at the map, I worked alitle abit on it, to show you what Kurdistan is, or what the Kurds claim to be theirs...

and what Assyria is or what Assyrians clalim to be theirs...

you see the problem? the Kurdish area is seizing a big part of Assyrian homeland, it seize all the areas where our people live currently in (northern iraq)....


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Something I have to add is the population, the Assyrian population in those areas is around 1 Mio to 1,2 Mio and some 500 000 Assyrina refugees in Syria and Jordania beside some 200 000 - 300 000 Assyrians in Baghdad and other parts of Iraq, which do note belong to the marked areas....


The Kurdish population is around 30 mio in this area, beside some other 7-9 mio Kurds from other parts of Turkey, Iran and Iraq...

But a think you have to know is, that Assyrians also if their population is much lower that that of our kurdish neighbours, we own still alot of lands!!!

Now how you want to solve that?

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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Fri May 11, 2007 2:40 pm

Is there any proof you were here before the kurds in these lands??
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Fri May 11, 2007 2:43 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:Is there any proof you were here before the kurds in these lands??


is there a proof which shows, that people who were called Kurds where first on these lands?

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