Navigator
Facebook
Search
Ads & Recent Photos
Recent Images
Random images
Welcome To Roj Bash Kurdistan 

Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

A place for discussion and exchanging ideas about Kurdistan issues here, also a place for sharing article & views and analysis about Kurdistan .

Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:47 am

PKK Syrian Kurdish leader:
We will respect outcome of independence referendum

The Syrian Kurdish leader Salih Muslim told ARA News on Tuesday that they will respect the outcome of an independence referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan, if it’s held.

“Our principles is that we are looking for a democratic nation, not for a [ethnic] nation state. In Rojava [Syria’s Kurdish region we don’t look for independence,” the co-head of the Democratic Union Party (PYD) said.

Unlike Masoud Barzani’s Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), the PYD does not believe in creating an independent Kurdish state, and says it’s better to work for a Syrian federalism that includes various ethnic groups. X(

Nevertheless, the PYD co-chair said that they will respect any outcome of a referendum expected to be held in Iraq regarding the independence project of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG).

“But it depends on opinion of Kurdish people over there, if they make a decision, we will respect it,” he said.

In an interview with ARA News, the PYD leader said that the time of the nation-state is gone and that in Europe they have spent millions of Euros to remove the borders.

“The most stable countries tried to get rid of the nation state and work towards a federal system, like the United Kingdom and Spain, where you have the issue of Scotland, Ireland and the Basque country,” he added.

“Our idea is not to build a nation state but to establish federalism in Syria including all components,” Muslim stated. “But it will be a secular federalism.”

Anthea: It is the PKK who do not want a nation state - Syrian Kurds have ALWAYS wanted independence - many THOUSANDS of Syrian Kurds joined the PKK to fight for Kurdish independence in both Turkey and in Syria - many THOUSANDS died fighting for independence

However, both the Syrian regime and the opposition have rejected plans by the Syrian Kurds –announced in March– to create a federal system in northern Syria.

“We are not looking for separation, but Kurdish rights and a democratic Syria. Until now the Assad regime hasn’t recognised us. They should recognize the Kurdish people for any agreement,” Muslim said.

“Also the opposition should do this [recognition of Kurdish rights],” the Syrian Kurdish leader told ARA News. “There cannot be a democratic Syria if they do not recognize one component of the Syrian society,” he said about both the opposition and the Syrian government.

The Iraqi Kurdish President Masoud Barzani last week said that the Iraqi Kurds are in need of their own sovereignty or accept the status quo.

“With the aid of His Almighty and the will of the people of the Kurdistan Region, it will become clear to us in the near future as to who would rather trail behind, obeying the orders of others and who would choose sovereignty,” Barzani said.

However, so far no date for a referendum has been declared.

Other Syrian Kurdish parties, rivals to the PYD, such as the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Syria (KDP-S) heavily backed the referendum, and believes in a more Kurdish nationalist federal region, than the PYD.

“We believe in mr. Barzani and that this is the suitable time to make a referendum,” Mohammed Ismail, a senior KDP-S leader told ARA News.

While the PYD believes in a borderless multi-cultural federalism, the Barzani-backed Kurdish National Council in Syria (KNC) wants an ethnic-based federal Kurdish region, similar to the Iraqi Kurdistan region.

http://aranews.net/2016/08/syrian-kurdi ... eferendum/
My Name Is KURDISTAN And I Will Be FREE
User avatar
Anthea
Shaswar
Shaswar
Donator
Donator
 
Posts: 31601
Images: 1151
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:13 pm
Location: Sitting in front of computer
Highscores: 3
Arcade winning challenges: 6
Has thanked: 6019 times
Been thanked: 750 times
Nationality: Kurd by heart

Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

Sponsor

Sponsor
 

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Londoner » Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:05 am

Politic is the art of survival. I think Salih Muslim plays his cards right. Sorry dear Anthea to disagree.
User avatar
Londoner
Tuti
Tuti
 
Posts: 1987
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:58 am
Highscores: 0
Arcade winning challenges: 0
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 752 times

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:34 am

Londoner wrote:Politic is the art of survival. I think Salih Muslim plays his cards right. Sorry dear Anthea to disagree.


The dear Londoner we will disagree ;)

The Western Kurdistan Parliament in Exile was based in London and consisted of some very prominent exiled Kurdish politicians

The President of the Western Kurdistan Parliament in Exil is Dr Jawad Mella :ymhug:

An extremely well known and well respected one-time freedom fight come politician - who was once in talks with Tony Bland (sorry Blair) vis-a-via Western Kurdish Independence

Well known and respected in all parts of Kurdistan - welcomed by all other Kurdish leaders - Dr Mella was one of the instigators of the previous Referendum in Southern Kurdistan - his knowledge of ALL things Kurdish

Instead of allowing Dr Mella and other well known leaders to take their rightful place in western Kurdistan - PKK sent Salih (serefsiz) Muslim as a figure-head for their control of Western Kurdistan

Along with Salih (serefsiz) Muslim they have sent other extremely powerful military figures into the area - possibly to make sure that Salih (serefsiz) Muslim follows the party line of betraying Kurds and becoming TRAITORS to all those Kurds from Western Kurdistan who fought and died for an independent KURDISTAN X(
My Name Is KURDISTAN And I Will Be FREE
User avatar
Anthea
Shaswar
Shaswar
Donator
Donator
 
Posts: 31601
Images: 1151
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:13 pm
Location: Sitting in front of computer
Highscores: 3
Arcade winning challenges: 6
Has thanked: 6019 times
Been thanked: 750 times
Nationality: Kurd by heart

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Londoner » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:02 am

The problem in this situation is that only power speaks and benefits. Salih Muslim has power, with which he has made a case for the Kurds, but others no mater how well-known, can not do anything for Kurds because they don't have power.
User avatar
Londoner
Tuti
Tuti
 
Posts: 1987
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:58 am
Highscores: 0
Arcade winning challenges: 0
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 752 times

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:08 pm

Londoner wrote:The problem in this situation is that only power speaks and benefits. Salih Muslim has power, with which he has made a case for the Kurds, but others no mater how well-known, can not do anything for Kurds because they don't have power.


Salih (serefsiz) Muslim's power is not his power it is PKK power

He lived in the mountains with them for several years and the PKK have put him there as a figurehead - I have a strong idea who actually controls his strings on behalf of PKK ;)
My Name Is KURDISTAN And I Will Be FREE
User avatar
Anthea
Shaswar
Shaswar
Donator
Donator
 
Posts: 31601
Images: 1151
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:13 pm
Location: Sitting in front of computer
Highscores: 3
Arcade winning challenges: 6
Has thanked: 6019 times
Been thanked: 750 times
Nationality: Kurd by heart

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:01 pm

I agree : Salih Muslim by himself is nothing. If the PKK wants to replace him, they'll do. But PKK itself has not one single head now, it is quite messy.
User avatar
Piling
Shaswar
Shaswar
Donator
Donator
 
Posts: 8375
Images: 80
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:57 am
Location: France
Highscores: 2
Arcade winning challenges: 3
Has thanked: 280 times
Been thanked: 3048 times
Nationality: European

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Londoner » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:03 am

I don't see anything wrong with Salih Muslim or PKK. They have achieved a lot on their own way. Rather than undermining them, we should help them.
User avatar
Londoner
Tuti
Tuti
 
Posts: 1987
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:58 am
Highscores: 0
Arcade winning challenges: 0
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 752 times

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:09 am

Londoner wrote:I don't see anything wrong with Salih Muslim or PKK. They have achieved a lot on their own way. Rather than undermining them, we should help them.


Sorry Londoner dear but where were you when Ocalan was arrested and turned traitor against Kurds in order to safe his sad sorry backside from being hanged

Perhaps you were not as involved at that time - it was a bad time with splits in the party and people who did not follow Ocalan and wanted to continue the fight for an Independent Kurdistan vanishing

In more recent years Ocalan has worked with the Turkish government by pretending that the regulations Turkey was required to meet in order to further it's application to join the EU - were in fact part of Ocalan's new road map for peace

Never forgetting that when Murat Karayilan started to question Ocalan commands and made several requests to send someone he trusted to meet with Ocalan - not only were his requests refused by Ocalan (supposedly) turned against Murat Karayilan and ordered that he lose his position as de facto leader of the PKK

Remember Sakine Cansiz - I believe she was executed because she firmly believed in an Independent Kurdistan and would never have followed Ocalan in giving up Kurdish right to Independence

Sakine Cansiz was an old style freedom fighter - she would NEVER have betrayed all those Kurds who died fighting for INDEPENDENCE
My Name Is KURDISTAN And I Will Be FREE
User avatar
Anthea
Shaswar
Shaswar
Donator
Donator
 
Posts: 31601
Images: 1151
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:13 pm
Location: Sitting in front of computer
Highscores: 3
Arcade winning challenges: 6
Has thanked: 6019 times
Been thanked: 750 times
Nationality: Kurd by heart

Re: Salih (serefsiz) Muslim: Does not want independence

PostAuthor: Piling » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:36 am

Londoner wrote:I don't see anything wrong with Salih Muslim or PKK. They have achieved a lot on their own way. Rather than undermining them, we should help them.


Even in Shingal where they want to rule separated from KRG with the help of Bagdad and Shiite militias ?

About the fate of 'Rojava' the reality of the ground : mixed land inhabited by Kurds and Arabs makes difficult any independence. But the situation in Syria is so unstable that no political solution could happen after 10 years.
User avatar
Piling
Shaswar
Shaswar
Donator
Donator
 
Posts: 8375
Images: 80
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:57 am
Location: France
Highscores: 2
Arcade winning challenges: 3
Has thanked: 280 times
Been thanked: 3048 times
Nationality: European


Return to Kurdistan Debates, Articles and Analysis

Who is online

Registered users: Bing [Bot], Majestic-12 [Bot]

x

#{title}

#{text}