U.S. decides Turkey is no longer a reliable Ally

[Lovetobewithfriends]

I am sorry,i think your facsist leaders are more smarter than you,Zurderer.Do you believe a real alliance between Turkey and Iran.Nowadays,Turks think Russia,Turkey and Iran will be allied.Oh,no they believe an aliance between Muslims and Russia and China will join them.Maybe Eu will join them against America. Can't you see Shiites and Sunnis fighting against each other in Iraq.

And Kurds are enslaved by the other muslims and no independence for us.It is a shame against humanity.But still lots of ppl trying to save their wrong sides first.You can solve your problem and fix your bad sites and continue your own way .But you can't believe a real alliance with them.To be alliance with them and to wait that you will be good partners.First,you have to have somethings like:Money,a vision,technology i mean own creations,faithfullness your side,respect everyone,realise you are not the only one i mean seeing facts,having a history,...lots of things like that.But with this actions you can't built this imagine,right?

And believe me America won't be seperate because of their depts,they are managing nearly all of the world.Don't believe this empty words and empty ideas.They are seing that too and they are think about that.If you ask me i can create lots of empty words.lies about that.But your ideas has no ground i can't believe them.And lots of unlogical things in it.Maybe you don't like some of America's or Kurd's or Isreal's actions.You can discuss them and can have a real result about that.But you can't make an alliance in a few days.Sometimes,you won't like America sometimes you won't like Russia.The problem is what are you doing about that.You can have benefits sometimes,sometimes you have to save yourself as good as you can.And the main idea that ppl has to have their own and logical ideas.Alliance are maded in short time,can be broken in short time.Do you have a suitable ground for it.Yes,i congralute you can make shared decision and you are doing it for long.But that is all you can't go on much.And they are breakable in short time.

And Kurds are not trying to do show,trying to be better and try to have better and real conditions.And they are trying to talk about realty.We don't have too much chances to talk about lies.And if the conditions better and everything is more calm you will see we i mean my race brothers won't harm Turkmens,we will be agreed with them.And we won't backstab them.Nobody can let the other ppl.We don't want that.Maybe you can learn somethings from Kurds.Because we are surrounded by enemies and we didn't choose that and we are still trying to do somethings and trying to be better.We are interrogating ourselves and trying to do somethings in good and logical ways.Trying to do better for all. .And the ppl who you said they are our allies,sometimes joint with you and i am thinking that too and this is conditions.Maybe you can learn respect Kurdish ppl who i talked about.And you can see what are Kurds doing by looking Selahaddin and can respect more.This is friendly message and you can learn respect this message.I hope it will be usefull for you and i hope i could expalin i want to mean.

[piskrt]

As far as I know, although kurds have a closer ethnic ties with persians (language is similar, customs are similar) Azeris are more loyal to Iran than kurds. I wonder why?

[Diri]

As far as I know, although kurds have a closer ethnic ties with persians (language is similar, customs are similar) Azeris are more loyal to Iran than kurds. I wonder why?

Closer "ethnic ties"? Only thing close with Persians is the linguistic one...

But the people closest to Kurds in terms of DNA - are actually the Jews - on the paternal side...

[piskrt]

But the people closest to Kurds in terms of DNA - are actually the Jews - on the paternal side...

You must be joking. Jews are a semtici people like Arabs. If kurds were relative with jews, probably they would be assimilated into the arabic society like most of the other semitic peoples.

[Rubar]

But the people closest to Kurds in terms of DNA - are actually the Jews - on the paternal side...

You must be joking. Jews are a semtici people like Arabs. If kurds were relative with jews, probably they would be assimilated into the arabic society like most of the other semitic peoples.

he is surely not joking. DNA studies done in Israel have shown that Jews are closerto Kurds than to semetic speaking Palestinians.

[tomjez]

I don't think DNA plays a very important role in language and culture......All human beings share the same DNA, the difference is maybe 0,01 % ...or maybe we should create a great IEU (indo european union), from Ireland to India , excluding the basques, the finlandians, the hungarians, the turks, the caucasians...could be fun

[Rubar]

I don't think DNA plays a very important role in language and culture......All human beings share the same DNA, the difference is maybe 0,01 % ...or maybe we should create a great IEU (indo european union), from Ireland to India , excluding the basques, the finlandians, the hungarians, the turks, the caucasians...could be fun

I agree, DNA does not mean much. There is also the racist connotations. In deed there was a DNA study done across midle eastern countries, what they found was that most of them were very similar. Implying that the differences that exist stem from elite cultural assimilation. However, DNA study can show how similar people are despite the fact that they perceive themselves to be so different. So in that sense I found that study so interesting. For instance I did not expect Kurds to be closer than Palestinians in terms of DNA.

[Piling]

By the way most of "European Jews" are not semitic at all but came from Caucase, then they could be close relatives to Kurds, Georgians, Armenians etc. When you see a fair blue-eyed Jews from Poland or Lituania, impossible to consider him as a Semit !

[cheryl]

But the people closest to Kurds in terms of DNA - are actually the Jews - on the paternal side...

You must be joking. Jews are a semtici people like Arabs. If kurds were relative with jews, probably they would be assimilated into the arabic society like most of the other semitic peoples.

how true. after all, we jews are SO assimilated into arab society.

do you realize, piskrt, that "semitic" is a linguistic term only and has nothing to do with DNA?

google "Wilhelm Marr" and see what you come up with on that.

[Lovetobewithfriends]

The DNA difference is only 0,01,Tomjez.Maybe it is everything maybe it is nothing.But the DNA difference between monkey and human is just only %1.Anyways,if i continue maybe you can think i am really racist.Yes,i can't say i just pass this topics,of course but i don't deserve be called as a racist.Again anyways,Armenians,Jews and Kurds ppls of the same region.I don't mean we are Armenians or Jews,maybe we are but i don't mean.Kurds more closer than all of the other ethnics by history and there was lots of marriage between Kurds and Armenians or Jews.Ottoman and Iran was the great powerful countries of middle-east.Why they were seperate and can not be united because Ottoman was sunni and Iran was shiite.Kurdistan were like a state in Ottoman.And we lived together with Jews and Armenians.Marriages between them were common before one century for centuries.There were Shiite Kurds or Sunni Kurds or Yezidi or Christian or Jews.But there were one Kurdish state tied Ottoman.So can you tell me piskrt,Kurds are really Iranian or Turkish.I think if we were Turks or Iranian we can unite with our brothers.On the contrary,Kurds are nation who live in Middle-East for centuries,Kurds and Ottoman has a good relationship and Kurds were generally sunni and Ottoman helped Sunni Kurds against(Safevi) so Kurdistan become a part of Ottoman and Ottoman and Kurds managed Kurdistan together.But after centuries Ottoman became weaker and more hard and to be centralized.And by a new event to another newer event i can't say Kurds love their own position in the world and in the Turkey.And all of the countries in middle-east backstabbed Turkey but still Turkey hate Kurds.This mans are really crazy and have to face what they need at least. .So we are not one of them and Kurds,Jews and Armenians lived together in middle-east.So guess again how we are of course we are not a pure race but i think maybe our history is more clear than Turks history.Still i don't understand their history.

[zurderer]

I am sorry,i think your facsist leaders are more smarter than you,Zurderer.Do you believe a real alliance between Turkey and Iran.

There is not real alliance. This is politics.

Nowadays,Turks think Russia,Turkey and Iran will be allied.Oh,no they believe an aliance between Muslims and Russia and China will join them.Maybe Eu will join them against America.

Infact we dont need an alliance with this guys, They need us, speacialy iran Turkey can easily find another alliance. or do you think, we would be alone If USA left us?

Infact all of them try to bribe turkey, EU is bribing turkey with membership of EU. (or do you know any other reason for this membership talks?) İran with nuclear games(didnt you heard their last offer), and I dont think we have some suspect of russian wish for turkey alliance.

Instead of this alliance we choose USA and Israel.

Can't you see Shiites and Sunnis fighting against each other in Iraq.

Cant you see, both turkey and iran try to calm this fights.

Maybe you don't like some of America's or Kurd's or Isreal's actions.You can discuss them and can have a real result about that.But you can't make an alliance in a few days

No you cannot, but our alliance with USA or Israel is already harmed much. For kurds(I am talking about northern kurds), I think they need turkey, dont you agree with me? Infact they will always need turkey.

Maybe you can learn respect Kurdish ppl who i talked about.And you can see what are Kurds doing by looking Selahaddin and can respect more.This is friendly message and you can learn respect this message.I hope it will be usefull for you and i hope i could expalin i want to mean.

I dont know, why are you thinking, I hate or dont respect for kurds. personaly I dont like turkish turkey much, like I dont like kurdish kurdistan.


I think, turkey position changed much. we are no more ottomans, sunnie, shiia conflict is not to much important for us.

Infact turkey is supporting shiies much more than sunnie kurds at iraq.

[Lovetobewithfriends]

Yes,nice to see you are talking about facts.

And i know you know that lots of questions,stories and lies are writing for fooling uneducated ppl.At least,i guess we agreed about something.I think you are smarter than i guess.

I am confused a bit.But Yes,i know now there is no big muslim alliance or Turkey-Iran alliance but Turkey has politics especially with his border partners.Some of them are just dirty plans on Kurds. (Dirty plans are not only Turkish plans of course.)

Turkey can change his side and can find another alliance or another one wants an alliance from Turkey but i am looking at the Turk history and i can easily say Turkey is not a real partner.Because,Turks(especially in Anatolia) don't know what is alliance Ottoman is second big empire in the world.Everything was cool.time by time Ottoman became weaker and all of the perfect plans flied away,all of the politics(not allies,just politics),getting Turkey out of the big world.Look the inheritance of Ottoman,Turkey has just debts.As you knew,Ottoman lost everything,why? because of allies,Ottoman's politics were so developed,Turkey made good allies with nearly all of the world,France,England,Germany,America.Still are you talking about allies?Yes,Ottoman passed,you can run away from your past but you can't hide.Ottoman is Turkey's past.Yes,there is lots of difference between them but Turkey's past is Ottoman.How can you say Ottoman just passed if you don't like it? Once upon a time,Kurds liked Ottoman,if it is just Turkey,pls can you reply that to all Kurdish Turks' ass lickers,i hope they see this topic and they will die by a heart attack because of shame,yes,here a Turk wrote a topic if anyone say we Turks and Kurds are cool,the strangers are interfere our job here there is a topic like an answer.

I am not a dreamer,of course if Kurds don't work much,if Kurds are not greedy they will allways listen Turks' insults to them.And they allways be slave for them willingly.But there is good and bad;slave or master;player or spectator;plain or mountain.You can choose one of them.It is writtten in the the Koran or The gospel...Like religions.Kurds can choose a great future for them.At least try all of the chances but of course Kurds can need Turkey,all ppl needs eachother,if Turkey doesn't need anyother one why they have politics?Everyone have politics for any reason.

Why am i nearly joking with Turkey's politics?Because,Turkey has no real politics.If you ask Turkey's politics to ppl from all over the world.You can find different answer i think some of them will say they like Ottoman some of them will say they are out of Islam...Maybe it is just ppl but i really don't understand why Turkey is harmful against Kurds and why they are afraiding to give a few rights and guarantees to Kurds and i am just laughting that Turkey has politics.If somebody try to manage his little tribe with Turk politics,i hope god will help the tribe because they will need that.I know it is not a smart joke.But we saw even the men in the streets(sokaktaki adam) don't believe Turkish politics and Mhp's votes are nearly same as DEHAP at the last voting,after all propaganda,deep government,streets gangs.Even some gang members are not real MHP members and just want to have power.

Everybody want to get rid of this politics.Do you say politics them?Is it so much that what Kurds want?Did you ask?Did you ask your allies are they want something from you?EU gives bribe to you but what they want?Who will ask same things so you don't want to change your side?(I said you are Turk maybe you are not genetically i didn't look your old posts but for me genetic is not very important because i think nobody is pure,i think it is about the feeling and i think you feel like a Turk because you are not talking for all Kurds who live in bad conditions than they deserve who has different problems,genetically or not you are a Turk for me)

I try to understand you of course you are trying to do good things for your nation by a way and you are trying to see them better,we all trying to do that.

My last words:Turks or Americans,Israels,Russians or Iranians or Buddhist i am not just talking about relationships,ppl can have great or worse relationships for me that is important:Are ppl respect Kurds more What they think about us? Are we deserving our identity?and what is my own ppl's job,are they stick together?Do we have good statue in WorlD?,Can i feel more happy when i think about them?,it is for me and it is very important thing for me. .The rest of that are tools.

[zurderer]

I am confused a bit.But Yes,i know now there is no big muslim alliance or Turkey-Iran alliance but Turkey has politics especially with his border partners.Some of them are just dirty plans on Kurds.

dont mind them too much, I am sure turks arabs iranians or kurds have dirty plans against each other. this is how life goes.

Turkey can change his side and can find another alliance or another one wants an alliance from Turkey but i am looking at the Turk history and i can easily say Turkey is not a real partner.

what is real alliance?

As you knew,Ottoman lost everything,why?

why are people dies?

because of allies,Ottoman's politics were so developed,Turkey made good allies with nearly all of the world,France,England,Germany,America.Still are you talking about allies?

When I am talking about allies, I am not talking about loyalty.

Ottoman passed,you can run away from your past but you can't hide.Ottoman is Turkey's past.

I accept ottomans were our past, Infact I think we are more ottoman than turks.

Once upon a time,Kurds liked Ottoman,

Or maybe we should say, Kurds hated shiia. Ottoman-Kurdish alliance comes from enemity against shia. Anyway I agree, Kurds were more loyal to ottomans than turks. do you think Ottomans=Turks?

Ottomans= Muslims who live inside of ottomans. I dont know why a kurd dislike from ottomans.

Why am i nearly joking with Turkey's politics?Because,Turkey has no real politics.If you ask Turkey's politics to ppl from all over the world.You can find different answer i think some of them will say they like Ottoman some of them will say they are out of Islam...

That is normal, even I sometimes wish a free kurdistan (I believe It would be good for both Turkish and kurdish people), and I sometimes wish a nationless state. We try to go west, but we lost our way(or maybe we should say, we are forced to go west. Now we dont want this, but we are afraiding to return back), now we dont know where to go.

We can become, european, ottoman, islamist, turanist ext ext. what do you think we should do? Pls not politic correctness.

it is just ppl but i really don't understand why Turkey is harmful against Kurds and why they are afraiding to give a few rights and guarantees to Kurds

Kurds(in turkey) is biggest threat against essense of Turkey.

First They dont accept nation-state and second they dont like from secularism too.

Infact If there were not PKK, most probably we would met a more religious turkey.

or why do you think, islamists have sympaty for kurds? or why kurds have sypmaty for islamists?

hp's votes are nearly same as DEHAP at the last voting,

I dont know what is so much ironic about this? they are both side of same knife, and harming Turkey.

And they allways be slave for them willingly

are they slaves? so what? They are not only slaves of militarist turkey. why am I not killing innocent people?

Did you ask your allies are they want something from you?

I didnt but I am sure they are not saints who give something without their own benefits. did you ask people who support PKK(like greeks or armenians), why are they supporting? what are they wanting from you?

EU gives bribe to you but what they want?Who will ask same things so you don't want to change your side?(

I think, noone can offer enough for a questionless loyalty.

I try to understand you of course you are trying to do good things for your nation by a way and you are trying to see them better,we all trying to do that.

Infact I am not thinking good about my nation, It is a nationalist even a fasist nation, also I should add they are corrupted too. But I still love them, will you stop to love your father, If he is a bad person and hit you?

Are ppl respect Kurds more What they think about us? Are we deserving our identity?and what is my own ppl's job,are they stick together?Do we have good statue in WorlD?,Can i feel more happy when i think about them?,

If your only aim was this, you should fight with kurds not turks or others.Others cannot show you as bad, only your people can do it.