9/11

[freedom+unity]

i was working for my father in his stubid take-away in portsmouth during my summer holidays. he made me work for nearly 2 months. if i knew any kurdish swear words, i would say it now.
any way going back to the post, it was horrible.

[AlbaSaab]

I was still in the army, sitting in the office, when word came in. I remember who told me, and I remember not-believing him. Then a sudden sense of urgency hit me, like in my chest.. Hard to explain, but then I went to the other room where there was a radio turned on, and a lot of people were coming in to listen to the news as it came in. I then rushed downstairs to the television room and opened CNN. Shortly therafter, the second tower was hit. I'll never forget the images of the towers falling.. There was a sense of impending doom, like the end of days was upon us. Turned out, it was only the beginning of the end, eh..?


So.. Where were you when the world turned on it's head..? 5 years later, have we learned anything..? Is the world any safer? Any free-er?

I was sitting at home, and my son shouted me from upstairs, to put the news on!

The only thing that's changed in my opinion, is that the USA is closer to becoming a Fascist nation!

[UE_kurdophile]

I was in England for a language course,in the host-family's house.

That day when it happened i didn't know anything, I went to the living room for a phone call and found my Saudi "host-brother" watching telly, he was actually watching the news but I thought he was watching a stupid science-fiction movie...I didn't understand it was real !! That's why I stayed calm and didn't look surprised at all(my mum phoned later to calm me down, but she actually had the opposite effect, as i had no idea what she was talking about ).

I think i don't need to be a Muslim to understand that those ppl completely misunderstood the Coran...or were they maybe puppets in the hand of the USA who used the 9/11 tragedy as an excuse to be legitimated to do whatever they like? it could be. Many people say that. Anyway they could have stopped it and they didn't.

When i went back to Italy, I saw everybody was in mourning...only because it happended to Americans( whenever something happens to other countries, nobody cares much ). Grrrrrhhh

[Diri]

I was in England for a language course,in the host-family's house.

That day when it happened i didn't know anything, I went to the living room for a phone call and found my Saudi "host-brother" watching telly, he was actually watching the news but I thought he was watching a stupid science-fiction movie...I didn't understand it was real !! That's why I stayed calm and didn't look surprised at all(my mum phoned later to calm me down, but she actually had the opposite effect, as i had no idea what she was talking about ).

I think i don't need to be a Muslim to understand that those ppl completely misunderstood the Coran...or were they maybe puppets in the hand of the USA who used the 9/11 tragedy as an excuse to be legitimated to do whatever they like? it could be. Many people say that. Anyway they could have stopped it and they didn't.

When i went back to Italy, I saw everybody was in mourning...only because it happended to Americans( whenever something happens to other countries, nobody cares much ). Grrrrrhhh

That is the reason I haven't posted here before now...

I find it realy worrying that so much attention is given to American deaths... But not a moment of silence or reflection is offered to the maybe 3-4 million murdered Kurds in the course of 85 years...

And for the topic: I was in my living-room... And was watching CNN...

[AlbaSaab]

I was in England for a language course,in the host-family's house.

That day when it happened i didn't know anything, I went to the living room for a phone call and found my Saudi "host-brother" watching telly, he was actually watching the news but I thought he was watching a stupid science-fiction movie...I didn't understand it was real !! That's why I stayed calm and didn't look surprised at all(my mum phoned later to calm me down, but she actually had the opposite effect, as i had no idea what she was talking about ).

I think i don't need to be a Muslim to understand that those ppl completely misunderstood the Coran...or were they maybe puppets in the hand of the USA who used the 9/11 tragedy as an excuse to be legitimated to do whatever they like? it could be. Many people say that. Anyway they could have stopped it and they didn't.

When i went back to Italy, I saw everybody was in mourning...only because it happended to Americans( whenever something happens to other countries, nobody cares much ). Grrrrrhhh

That is the reason I haven't posted here before now...

I find it realy worrying that so much attention is given to American deaths... But not a moment of silence or reflection is offered to the maybe 3-4 million murdered Kurds in the course of 85 years...

And for the topic: I was in my living-room... And was watching CNN...

Yes, I remember thinking that a few days later. Nothing is ever mentioned about all the people who are oppressed and killed every day, but I have my theories on the whole thing anyway, rather like Kurdophile's.

[Diri]

In the Shout Room - you can tell us about your theory!

[Saipul]

I was working at a restaurant. I was only 16. Someone went to buy donuts for us to snack on. When he came back, he said someone told him that the Pentagon and the World Trade Center was attacked. I didn't believe it, because I knew the WTC was attacked before and thought it couldn't be attacked again. Then we turned on the radio and I heard as the towers fell down. The AF bases near us scrambled their jets to protect the skies and there were jet trails all over the sky.

I knew immediately it was Arab Muslims, but I didn't know exactly who. I thought it was Palestinians at first. Turned out to be the Saudis. It's sad that America had one of the worst presidents in its history, Bush, at the helm during such a crucial time.

Sadly, Kurds know well the struggle against Islamic extremism. There are no plots within plots within plots. Everything is as simple as it seems. The Turks, the Arabs, and the Persians are all ethnofascists who have used Islam as a tool to rationalize Kurdish inferiority. To this day Arabs use Saladin as an example of why Kurds shouldn't have freedom (without offering any explanation). Ansar al-Islam was the perfect realization of Islamic fascists: killing other Kurds, taking over villages, banning women from the public, and reverting to the 7th century.

Kurdistan comes first. I will give you this warning once and only once. If we Kurds try to associate ourselves with the "Muslim community" rather than as Kurds first they will leave the dagger in our back. The Turks, the Persians, and the Arabs are all working together against Kurdistan.

[Diri]

.or were they maybe puppets in the hand of the USA who used the 9/11 tragedy as an excuse to be legitimated to do whatever they like? it could be. Many people say that.

Many people are ignorant.
Every Normal Distribution of population is a Gaussian bell curve - i.e., 50% of the population is under the mean - and the average isn't that hot either.

I find it realy worrying that so much attention is given to American deaths... But not a moment of silence or reflection is offered to the maybe 3-4 million murdered Kurds in the course of 85 years...

I don't mean to be insensitive, and I wrote about the unfairness and doubelstandard (though in a different arena) myself here, but the fact remains that USA a superpower, and it's foreign policy affects the entire planet.

Think of it this way - Do you think there would be a free Kurdish province in Northern Iraq today had it not been for 9/11? I'm not so sure.

Thank you Shay for your words in that thread about Kurdish sufferings... Although underestimates, I am surprised you knew so much about us... Sipas - serkewtin!!! Thank you for spreading the truth about the Kurdish struggle...

And just want to correct some of the things you said in your posts on that forum, if I may... Maybe it will shock you more:

Not 600, but 4000 villages were razed to the ground in Southern Kurdistan.
Not 400.000 but 3 million Kurds have been displaced and are "internal refugees" in Turkey.
The 200.000 (+ + +) Kurds who were "deported" by Baath, were murdered and are still being unearthed from massgraves...
What happened in Dersîm, is now being desribed not as massmurders, but as acts of Genocide, same goes to the rest of the Turkish policies towards Kurds and Kurdish identity.
When Kurds were Fatwad and declared infidels, not 10.000 but about 30.000 men, women and children were rounded up and murdered. The women raped because they were sluts and the children murdered because they were sons of sluts and infidels.
Although Kurdish language is allowed in social life in Turkey in THEORY, it is not in reality.

You know what? That thread of yours and the discussion makes me want to compare Kurdish sufferings with Palestinian sufferings... One is unbelieveable... One is brutally prosecuted, oppressed and denied any existence while the other's language is being thaught at universities and it's people are given full citizenship + the right to create their own state...

Makes Kurds envy the Palestinians... If only the Turks, Persians and Arabs were as mercyful and empathetic as the Jews and Israelis...

As the Jewish saying goes: "From your mouth to G-d's Ears"...

[Saipul]

How could anyone compare the sufferings of the Palestinians under Israel to those of the Kurds under the Arabs, Turks, and Persians? That is completely laughable. Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed since 2000 in the intifada? 3,700. That's 6 years of Palestinians deliberately attacking Israeli civilians, blowing up buses, attacking cafes, firing missiles at villages, etc. And if you want to talk about percentages, that's less than two-tenths of one percent of the Palestinian population. The Arabs killed 200,000 Kurds in 3 years. That was seven percent of the Kurdish population living in Iraq at the time.

If only the Kurds had occupiers as gracious as the Israelis. Did you know that 16% of the Israeli population is Arab and they are allowed to freely speak and teach Arabic as well as build places of worship? Did you know that with 3 million people, the Palestinians were receiving nearly $2 billion in aid from the West and the Arab world annually until they elected Hamas?



These Kurds are considered Turkish citizens! Have you ever seen the cities and towns of Arab Israeli citizens? They have higher living standards than some Jews.

It is okay if someone is ignorant and complains about the sufferings of the Palestinians elsewhere, but this is a Kurdish message board and they should know better. Here we know well that the Palestinians have seen nothing compared to the Kurds.

[Diri]

Saipul... Do you have some reading-issues or trouble?

Go read my post AGAIN... In YOUR post it seems as if I have defended the Palestinians or said that they have been oppressed more than Kurds...

Wich is UTTER CRAP... So please clear up what your POINT was... Because you have NOTHING on me...

[Saipul]

Saipul... Do you have some reading-issues or trouble?

Go read my post AGAIN... In YOUR post it seems as if I have defended the Palestinians or said that they have been oppressed more than Kurds...

Wich is UTTER CRAP... So please clear up what your POINT was... Because you have NOTHING on me...

My post was directed at shay, or people in general who support the Palestinians and turn their backs on the Kurds, not you.

[Diri]

Saipul... Do you have some reading-issues or trouble?

Go read my post AGAIN... In YOUR post it seems as if I have defended the Palestinians or said that they have been oppressed more than Kurds...

Wich is UTTER CRAP... So please clear up what your POINT was... Because you have NOTHING on me...

My post was directed at shay, or people in general who support the Palestinians and turn their backs on the Kurds, not you.

Well - this is a forum - so your comment will either be directed at the thread-opener or the last person who commented... So thanks for clearing up what you meant...

And thanks for the map... I like that one... It shows how of all of "Turkey" - Northern Kurdistan is in deepest shit...

[UE_kurdophile]

.or were they maybe puppets in the hand of the USA who used the 9/11 tragedy as an excuse to be legitimated to do whatever they like? it could be. Many people say that.

Many people are ignorant.
Every Normal Distribution of population is a Gaussian bell curve - i.e., 50% of the population is under the mean - and the average isn't that hot either.

Can you please clarify why you mentioned the Gaussian bell curve? I didn't get it.