Kurds are Fathers of Iran

[zurderer]

Just as absurd as Turkish nationalism.

like kurdish one.

What are 'yoruks'?

they are nomad turks settled 100 year ago.

[Heja]

for example, GOOD LUCK SEPERATING Kermanshah from Iran....

Don't be so sure my friend. Kirmashan (or as you say Kermanshah) was among the very first regions to stand up against Persian tyranny. They had an independent kingdom in the 2nd-3rd century AD. They issued their own coins!

Please read this article from Prof. Izady (published in Kurdish Life, No.6, 1993)
Kurdish kingdom of Kirm (or Kram)

It issued coins used exclusively and extensively in the Kurdish highlands around the middle of the 2nd century AD. The independent minting of coins reflects the autonomy claimed by this kingdom.

The sacred and powerful Kurdish kingdom of Kirm (or Kram) covered southern Kurdistan, the area of modern Kirmanshah and Awraman.

One of the most powerful rulers of this kingdom was Haftan bukht. According to historical accounts, Haftan-Bukht's two year defense of his domain and his Kurdish allied kingdoms nearly cost the invading Ardashir I, founder of the Sasanian Persian cultural treasure empire, his life.

In his battle chronicle, the Karnamak, Ardashir boasts of the death and destruction he wrought on the Kurds, their cities and their sacred places of worship in the course of AD 224-226 (Karnamak-i Artakhsher-i Papakan, v-xi)

It is fascinating that in his Karnamak chronicle the first reference to the ethnic term "Kurd" appears in a preIslamic Persian source.

Ethnic Kurds are thus identified as the inhabitants of the region of Qaleh-i Yazdigird at the time of its destruction in this chronicle of the man who was in all likelihood its destroyer.

[AlbaSaab]

ArioBarzan you say ''Lets not let emotions blind us from our origins and historical facts'',
well, our origins and historical facts both are acedemic topics, which in some cases can emotionally impress some people or not.
But our current situation and interests are what we should not regard with emotions
History, tels us that Persian nationalism never tolerated Kurds, as equal citizens rather than second or third class citizens.
Just look at pahlavi and Islamic rep eras to see how they treat(ed) Kurds.

First let me thank you for an intelligent post. Very well said. However, this is certainly a different time for Iranians. Although it has always been the governments and not the Iranian people who opressed the Kurds, you are correct in saying that Kurds were treated differently and as second class citizens before (so were the baluchis, the Azaris, and even the Persians themselves from villages were always treated poorly) however, currently due to the experiences of Iranians in the past decades specially under the Islamic regime and the brave Kurd's resistance to the regime, and through much Sole-Searching of the Persians and all Iranic people (the Islamic regime actually caused all Iranians to search in their past and learn alot more about their roots , instead of making the people Islamic it has actually caused them to become alot less Islamic and alot more Iranian) NOW, Iranians not only respect the Kurd as their Iranian brother but they see them as one of oldest and purest Iranian people and they respect as one of the elite Iranians. I am sure some of Iranians on this forum weather Kurd or not can back me up on this. From personal experiences to general observation of even the politics that are forming every where you look the Kurd status is growing among Iranians.

Every Iranian gathering or party I go to as soon as I mention I am Kurd on my dad side they have nothing but respect for our people. This is the truth and unless you are in Iran or know Iranians you don't understand this . As I mentioned as the topic of this thread Iranian opposition groups also recognize this. Mr. Fouladvand who is a constitutional monarchist has repeatedly called Kurds the fathers of Iran, now here is a monarchist which according to you guys hate Kurds who every time he talks he goes out of his way to talk about Kurds and how honorable and how special they are and how all Iranians must respect them as the fathers of Iran.

With this trend of the Kurd and his status in Iran which many may not have been aware of, then History and our Iranian roots can and should
play a factor in our decision to seperate or be in a federal system with our other Iranian kins. Now when I say federal , I am not sure if you all are understanding me, a federal system will have almost independent states with their own language and law system (like states in USA which have their own way of running things...but even more independant), so the future could have Kurdistan, Azarbaijan, Persia, Tajikistan, Khuzestan, Baluchestan, and Northern Afghanistan, all Iranic people all intelligent all free (hopefully one day) and all full of resources sharing the same blood, the same past, and the same future. This will be a SUPERPOWER. It is the dream of the westerner to divide and opress. this way he ensures everyone stays weak


If we rid ourselves of religious superstition and search in our past we will only UNITED (In my opinion united with all Iranic peopole) be strong, and start flying again.




Baaz boom, baali shekanam chuar balaay nahsi kharaw
khaneghah yek tekyeh du Amameh seh, abaa chuar

" This will be a SUPERPOWER. It is the dream of the westerner to divide and opress. this way he ensures everyone stays weak" It sounds a little too close to Hitler's ideals, for comfort. I'm intrigued: Do you mean Western governments, or westerners, who's dream it is to divide and oppress?

[agent007]

AHHAHAAHAHH ARIOBARZAN very funny....you irani rat kurds father of iran ahhhah no thank you we dont want be your guys father...kurdistan has no onnection with persians or iranies some turks celebrate also nevruz
its part of historical irani empire....if iranis so friendly why do they not support kurds?? they killing old and children....you khomeini go back to iran and try to convine pakistanis be persians...