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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 17, 2007 12:05 pm

Just draw a line dividing that area bounded between Kurdistan and Assyria into two equal halves.


There is never a area to be drawn with a 100% pleasure for both sides.
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I would like that Kurds and Assyrians would have something like Great Britian where they would share oil, agriculture and stuff like that, so that we would have 2 States within one Boarder who would be pretty powerful to survive between the other neighbours Turks, Arabs and Persians


Lets called it UNM United Nations of Mesopotamia :D

But hey Kurdish neighbours if we have Worldcup championship, we will play alone....and who knows maybe in the near Future Kurdistan will play against Assyria in the Final.....it is sure that we would win but still, would be nice :wink:

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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 1:45 pm

what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 17, 2007 2:05 pm

Balci wrote:what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?


How you mean that? Where a new land for Assyrians? There dont need to be a new land, we have one, we just need to get regodnization from the World, who would suppourt an Assyrian State.

The mountains are Kurdish homeland, if you have looked at mountain maps of Iraq you would see, that Kurdish claims in Iraq are over those mountain areas crossing into assyrian plane land, but no problem we Assyrians cant retake Arbil its kurdish now..

We just look for getting back villages in west dohuk(plain area) and the northern Ninawa just as showed in the posted map by me.

Why would we move to the Arabs? You should know that the Arabs came to us! Most of Iraqs people are original inhabits of that area, which came under islam and arabism influence after 600 AD.


and how do you mean Kurdistan and the mountains?

here you can see the mountain areas of north Iraq

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1/3 is mountain 2/3 are plain land, but 4/7 is kurdish populated 1/7 Assyrians and 2/7 arab.. or lets say 4,5 mio kurds 1,5 mio arabs and 500 000 Assyrians


the last thing which I would agree on, is that what I mentioned one state for Kurds and another for Assyrians, with a tie like the GB....so that we would be a regional power in thta area and not easy to crush!

Sorry we cant just leave somewhere, we have our biggest presenz around Nineveh(our last capital)...

And I am more then sure, that those area around Nineveh Plains will be part of an Assyria!

We just can´t leave those villages who have been at least populated for 3000 years (notice at least) by us.

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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Thu May 17, 2007 2:47 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Balci wrote:what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?


How you mean that? Where a new land for Assyrians? There dont need to be a new land, we have one, we just need to get regodnization from the World, who would suppourt an Assyrian State.

The mountains are Kurdish homeland, if you have looked at mountain maps of Iraq you would see, that Kurdish claims in Iraq are over those mountain areas crossing into assyrian plane land, but no problem we Assyrians cant retake Arbil its kurdish now..

We just look for getting back villages in west dohuk(plain area) and the northern Ninawa just as showed in the posted map by me.

Why would we move to the Arabs? You should know that the Arabs came to us! Most of Iraqs people are original inhabits of that area, which came under islam and arabism influence after 600 AD.


and how do you mean Kurdistan and the mountains?

here you can see the mountain areas of north Iraq

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1/3 is mountain 2/3 are plain land, but 4/7 is kurdish populated 1/7 Assyrians and 2/7 arab.. or lets say 4,5 mio kurds 1,5 mio arabs and 500 000 Assyrians


the last thing which I would agree on, is that what I mentioned one state for Kurds and another for Assyrians, with a tie like the GB....so that we would be a regional power in thta area and not easy to crush!

Sorry we cant just leave somewhere, we have our biggest presenz around Nineveh(our last capital)...

And I am more then sure, that those area around Nineveh Plains will be part of an Assyria!

We just can´t leave those villages who have been at least populated for 3000 years (notice at least) by us.


I like the idea of UNM, united nations of Mesopotamia a union between all the lands who were a part of mesopotamia, but what happens with kurds in turkey and iran, those places are not a part of Mesopotamia :/ Turks and iranians would use that information against the union and claim that its their lands because north and east kurdistan wasnt a part of mesopotamia
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 17, 2007 4:38 pm

I like the idea of UNM, united nations of Mesopotamia a union between all the lands who were a part of mesopotamia, but what happens with kurds in turkey and iran, those places are not a part of Mesopotamia :/ Turks and iranians would use that information against the union and claim that its their lands because north and east kurdistan wasnt a part of mesopotamia


Well I thought only about Iraq, but this was just an IDEA with UNM, there might be another way to creat a kind of Unity between NoTurk, NoArab and NoPersian nations within MiddleEast.

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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 5:12 pm

Where there is no point in moving the people from the land they own. How about you try getting enough money to buy that land.

Maybe you Assyrians should get your big business people (if you have any) and start buying off entire cities, areas of cities, and rural areas outside of cities that you want in making your own state.

Maybe the Kurds and Assyrians could co-exist in a country called "The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan" The land of the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmeni. In fact you could just fuse all of these different ethnic groups and just call yourselves the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenis.

But if you don't want to fuse all three ethnicities into one, then maybe you guys could consider making a federal government like Bosnia and Herzegovina by having three presidents. A Kurdish president, an Assyrian president, and an Iraqi Turkmeni President.

Oh and you can call your country, "Northern Mesopotamia."
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 17, 2007 5:17 pm

Darkseid wrote:Where there is no point in moving the people from the land they own. How about you try getting enough money to buy that land.

Maybe you Assyrians should get your big business people (if you have any) and start buying off entire cities, areas of cities, and rural areas outside of cities that you want in making your own state.

Maybe the Kurds and Assyrians could co-exist in a country called "The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan" The land of the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmeni. In fact you could just fuse all of these different ethnic groups and just call yourselves the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenis. Or better you can call yourselves the Martians. LOL!



Why buy land, which belong to us? We dont need to buy land, but to repopulate our areas (some already are partly beeing repopulated)!

The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan....well then we just could stay at UNM....

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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 5:25 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:Where there is no point in moving the people from the land they own. How about you try getting enough money to buy that land.

Maybe you Assyrians should get your big business people (if you have any) and start buying off entire cities, areas of cities, and rural areas outside of cities that you want in making your own state.

Maybe the Kurds and Assyrians could co-exist in a country called "The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan" The land of the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmeni. In fact you could just fuse all of these different ethnic groups and just call yourselves the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenis. Or better you can call yourselves the Martians. LOL!



Why buy land, which belong to us?


Land doesn't belong to you unless you own it.

For instance, I am part Cherokee Native American and all of the Southeastern United States was the land that my people had settled. But... we don't own any of it, therefore we can be relocated, which is what had happened to my people.

We dont need to buy land, but to repopulate our areas (some already are partly beeing repopulated)!


It is easier to repopulate land that you own than it is to settle in an area that is known to be hostile towards your people.

The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan....well then we just could stay at UNM....


UNM? :roll:
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 17, 2007 5:55 pm

Darkseid wrote:
Rumtaya wrote:
Darkseid wrote:Where there is no point in moving the people from the land they own. How about you try getting enough money to buy that land.

Maybe you Assyrians should get your big business people (if you have any) and start buying off entire cities, areas of cities, and rural areas outside of cities that you want in making your own state.

Maybe the Kurds and Assyrians could co-exist in a country called "The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan" The land of the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmeni. In fact you could just fuse all of these different ethnic groups and just call yourselves the Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenis. Or better you can call yourselves the Martians. LOL!



Why buy land, which belong to us?


Land doesn't belong to you unless you own it.

For instance, I am part Cherokee Native American and all of the Southeastern United States was the land that my people had settled. But... we don't own any of it, therefore we can be relocated, which is what had happened to my people.

We dont need to buy land, but to repopulate our areas (some already are partly beeing repopulated)!


It is easier to repopulate land that you own than it is to settle in an area that is known to be hostile towards your people.

The Federation of Kurdi-Assyri-Turkmenistan....well then we just could stay at UNM....


UNM? :roll:



We own land in north ninawa and dohuk provinz....Assyrians have papers where it says that its their place!

And for sure there are papers, where it shows where assyrians lived before saddam displaced them alognside kurds.


UNM.....United Nations of Mesopotamia

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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 6:04 pm

Rumtaya wrote:We own land in north ninawa and dohuk provinz....Assyrians have papers where it says that its their place!


So you paid for that land and now you have a bunch of Kurds living there? Well people don't just move into a place and settle there for no particular reason.

I am quite certain that if just show them your papers then maybe they'll consider moving. If they don't. Then try to understand why they cannot move.

If you don't have alot of people then why not go all out crazy with the lust and stuff till you have a million more people.

Perhaps your people could just adopt a ton of unwanted children and raise them as Assyrians.

And for sure there are papers, where it shows where assyrians lived before saddam displaced them alognside kurds.


Saddam was cruel to the Kurds too. Everyone hated Saddam, except for maybe his follow Baaths.

UNM.....United Nations of Mesopotamia


Okay...
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PostAuthor: Rumtaya » Thu May 17, 2007 6:13 pm

So you paid for that land and now you have a bunch of Kurds living there? Well people don't just move into a place and settle there for no particular reason.

I am quite certain that if just show them your papers then maybe they'll consider moving. If they don't. Then try to understand why they cannot move.

If you don't have alot of people then why not go all out crazy with the lust and stuff till you have a million more people.

Perhaps your people could just adopt a ton of unwanted children and raise them as Assyrians.


Paid to who?
You cant pay someone if you have lived for the last 5-6 centuries on that land, its has mostly been assyrian populated!

I am not telling that all land is occupdied by Kurds, there are some places and other are occupdied by Arabs...

But I have to admit, that the KRG is trying to give some villages back to Assyrians and get the Kurds out of them, since those just have been kurdish villages the last 40 years...

and there are other places who have been rebuilded after saddam destroied them...

one example is Barwar..., on which new homes are build and some assyrian families resettled there.
Saddam was cruel to the Kurds too. Everyone hated Saddam, except for maybe his follow Baaths.


Well I just said that assyrian algonside kurds where displaced from saddam....

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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 6:55 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
So you paid for that land and now you have a bunch of Kurds living there? Well people don't just move into a place and settle there for no particular reason.

I am quite certain that if just show them your papers then maybe they'll consider moving. If they don't. Then try to understand why they cannot move.

If you don't have alot of people then why not go all out crazy with the lust and stuff till you have a million more people.

Perhaps your people could just adopt a ton of unwanted children and raise them as Assyrians.


Paid to who?


You do know what taxes are, right?

You cant pay someone if you have lived for the last 5-6 centuries on that land, its has mostly been assyrian populated!


So you don't have property tax in Iraq?

I am not telling that all land is occupdied by Kurds, there are some places and other are occupdied by Arabs...


Well if is something to consider. Do you own all that land or do individual Assyrians and it was taken away from them?

Also if those people were killed then their land goes rightfully to either the state or the children depending on the laws already established.

But I have to admit, that the KRG is trying to give some villages back to Assyrians and get the Kurds out of them, since those just have been kurdish villages the last 40 years...

and there are other places who have been rebuilded after saddam destroied them...

one example is Barwar..., on which new homes are build and some assyrian families resettled there.


Well that is good news. Maybe you can work with the KRG to rebuild the Assyrian boundaries so you can have your own country.

Maybe if you have the KRG in power over all of Kurdistan, then maybe you can look more foward to an independent Assyria. If that is the case, then why did you bother bringing up the hopeless future of Assyria, when you have KRG there trying to fix things up? Seems like you were tyring over dramatize things.

Saddam was cruel to the Kurds too. Everyone hated Saddam, except for maybe his follow Baaths.


Well I just said that assyrian algonside kurds where displaced from saddam....


Yep. Good thing Saddam is dead.
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PostAuthor: K4L_2007 » Thu May 17, 2007 6:58 pm

Darkseid wrote:So you paid for that land and now you have a bunch of Kurds living there? Well people don't just move into a place and settle there for no particular reason.

I am quite certain that if just show them your papers then maybe they'll consider moving. If they don't. Then try to understand why they cannot move.

If you don't have alot of people then why not go all out crazy with the lust and stuff till you have a million more people.

Perhaps your people could just adopt a ton of unwanted children and raise them as Assyrians.


Wow this post made my laugh in 5 min non stop lol
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PostAuthor: Darkseid » Thu May 17, 2007 7:05 pm

K4L_2007 wrote:
Darkseid wrote:So you paid for that land and now you have a bunch of Kurds living there? Well people don't just move into a place and settle there for no particular reason.

I am quite certain that if just show them your papers then maybe they'll consider moving. If they don't. Then try to understand why they cannot move.

If you don't have alot of people then why not go all out crazy with the lust and stuff till you have a million more people.

Perhaps your people could just adopt a ton of unwanted children and raise them as Assyrians.


Wow this post made my laugh in 5 min non stop lol


I can see some people do appreciate my humor.
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PostAuthor: Balci » Thu May 17, 2007 8:05 pm

Rumtaya wrote:
Balci wrote:what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?


How you mean that? Where a new land for Assyrians? There dont need to be a new land, we have one, we just need to get regodnization from the World, who would suppourt an Assyrian State.

The mountains are Kurdish homeland, if you have looked at mountain maps of Iraq you would see, that Kurdish claims in Iraq are over those mountain areas crossing into assyrian plane land, but no problem we Assyrians cant retake Arbil its kurdish now..

We just look for getting back villages in west dohuk(plain area) and the northern Ninawa just as showed in the posted map by me.

Why would we move to the Arabs? You should know that the Arabs came to us! Most of Iraqs people are original inhabits of that area, which came under islam and arabism influence after 600 AD.


and how do you mean Kurdistan and the mountains?

here you can see the mountain areas of north Iraq

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1/3 is mountain 2/3 are plain land, but 4/7 is kurdish populated 1/7 Assyrians and 2/7 arab.. or lets say 4,5 mio kurds 1,5 mio arabs and 500 000 Assyrians


the last thing which I would agree on, is that what I mentioned one state for Kurds and another for Assyrians, with a tie like the GB....so that we would be a regional power in thta area and not easy to crush!

Sorry we cant just leave somewhere, we have our biggest presenz around Nineveh(our last capital)...

And I am more then sure, that those area around Nineveh Plains will be part of an Assyria!

We just can´t leave those villages who have been at least populated for 3000 years (notice at least) by us.


If thats the issue, I would've been more than glad giving back Assyrian villages, if the Kurdish population were inferior.
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