Kurdish Authorities Outlaw Assyrian Language in North Iraq

[Darkseid]

what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?

How you mean that? Where a new land for Assyrians? There dont need to be a new land, we have one, we just need to get regodnization from the World, who would suppourt an Assyrian State.

The mountains are Kurdish homeland, if you have looked at mountain maps of Iraq you would see, that Kurdish claims in Iraq are over those mountain areas crossing into assyrian plane land, but no problem we Assyrians cant retake Arbil its kurdish now..

We just look for getting back villages in west dohuk(plain area) and the northern Ninawa just as showed in the posted map by me.

Why would we move to the Arabs? You should know that the Arabs came to us! Most of Iraqs people are original inhabits of that area, which came under islam and arabism influence after 600 AD.


and how do you mean Kurdistan and the mountains?

here you can see the mountain areas of north Iraq



1/3 is mountain 2/3 are plain land, but 4/7 is kurdish populated 1/7 Assyrians and 2/7 arab.. or lets say 4,5 mio kurds 1,5 mio arabs and 500 000 Assyrians


the last thing which I would agree on, is that what I mentioned one state for Kurds and another for Assyrians, with a tie like the GB....so that we would be a regional power in thta area and not easy to crush!

Sorry we cant just leave somewhere, we have our biggest presenz around Nineveh(our last capital)...

And I am more then sure, that those area around Nineveh Plains will be part of an Assyria!

We just can´t leave those villages who have been at least populated for 3000 years (notice at least) by us.

If thats the issue, I would've been more than glad giving back Assyrian villages, if the Kurdish population were inferior.

I don't think the Kurds are Inferior.

[Balci]

To be honest, I'm not sure either, but the mountains is our home, and that is the place where we belong. And after being oppressed by other nations for over 90 years, I want every people to have their own country.

[Darkseid]

To be honest, I'm not sure either, but the mountains is our home, and that is the place where we belong. And after being oppressed by other nations for over 90 years, I want every people to have their own country.

That is indeed the right way to be thinking my fellow anime-watching friend.

[Balci]

[Rumtaya]

what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?

How you mean that? Where a new land for Assyrians? There dont need to be a new land, we have one, we just need to get regodnization from the World, who would suppourt an Assyrian State.

The mountains are Kurdish homeland, if you have looked at mountain maps of Iraq you would see, that Kurdish claims in Iraq are over those mountain areas crossing into assyrian plane land, but no problem we Assyrians cant retake Arbil its kurdish now..

We just look for getting back villages in west dohuk(plain area) and the northern Ninawa just as showed in the posted map by me.

Why would we move to the Arabs? You should know that the Arabs came to us! Most of Iraqs people are original inhabits of that area, which came under islam and arabism influence after 600 AD.


and how do you mean Kurdistan and the mountains?

here you can see the mountain areas of north Iraq



1/3 is mountain 2/3 are plain land, but 4/7 is kurdish populated 1/7 Assyrians and 2/7 arab.. or lets say 4,5 mio kurds 1,5 mio arabs and 500 000 Assyrians


the last thing which I would agree on, is that what I mentioned one state for Kurds and another for Assyrians, with a tie like the GB....so that we would be a regional power in thta area and not easy to crush!

Sorry we cant just leave somewhere, we have our biggest presenz around Nineveh(our last capital)...

And I am more then sure, that those area around Nineveh Plains will be part of an Assyria!

We just can´t leave those villages who have been at least populated for 3000 years (notice at least) by us.

If thats the issue, I would've been more than glad giving back Assyrian villages, if the Kurdish population were inferior.

I don't think the Kurds are Inferior.

You know that this map shows an Empire, with many other Nations, which were conquerd by one Nation with Soldiers!

[Darkseid]

what about... Just giving you regions, and equal rights as us, wouldn't that be nice ? I want a new land for you Assyrians, but Kurdistan, and the mountains is our homes.

Its a MUCH better alternative than moving in to the Arabs, don't you agree ?

How you mean that? Where a new land for Assyrians? There dont need to be a new land, we have one, we just need to get regodnization from the World, who would suppourt an Assyrian State.

The mountains are Kurdish homeland, if you have looked at mountain maps of Iraq you would see, that Kurdish claims in Iraq are over those mountain areas crossing into assyrian plane land, but no problem we Assyrians cant retake Arbil its kurdish now..

We just look for getting back villages in west dohuk(plain area) and the northern Ninawa just as showed in the posted map by me.

Why would we move to the Arabs? You should know that the Arabs came to us! Most of Iraqs people are original inhabits of that area, which came under islam and arabism influence after 600 AD.


and how do you mean Kurdistan and the mountains?

here you can see the mountain areas of north Iraq



1/3 is mountain 2/3 are plain land, but 4/7 is kurdish populated 1/7 Assyrians and 2/7 arab.. or lets say 4,5 mio kurds 1,5 mio arabs and 500 000 Assyrians


the last thing which I would agree on, is that what I mentioned one state for Kurds and another for Assyrians, with a tie like the GB....so that we would be a regional power in thta area and not easy to crush!

Sorry we cant just leave somewhere, we have our biggest presenz around Nineveh(our last capital)...

And I am more then sure, that those area around Nineveh Plains will be part of an Assyria!

We just can´t leave those villages who have been at least populated for 3000 years (notice at least) by us.

If thats the issue, I would've been more than glad giving back Assyrian villages, if the Kurdish population were inferior.

I don't think the Kurds are Inferior.

You know that this map shows an Empire, with many other Nations, which were conquerd by one Nation with Soldiers!

You know this also shows an Empire.



And another empire



And another empire



New Babylonian Empire or also called the Chaldean Empire



Even the Sumerians had their own empire.

In fact I could say that every country is practically an empire except for Switzerland.

[Diri]

Just to make one thing clear:

Kurds and Assyrians are natives of Mespotamia - but the Turkmen are not...

So please do not credit the Turkmen, whom already have a country (Turkmenistan) - with more history than they can afford...

[Darkseid]

Just to make one thing clear:

Kurds and Assyrians are natives of Mespotamia - but the Turkmen are not...

So please do not credit the Turkmen, whom already have a country (Turkmenistan) - with more history than they can afford...

You can still have use of the Turkmen by using them as a buffer zone against the Arabs.

Who is the greatest threat to the Kurds of Iraq? Is it not the Arabs?

[King Ashurbanipal]

Historic facts stated that Kurds of iraqi region came from Azerbijan, most definitely came from Indo-Asia some 200 years ago and are not native to Mesopotamia, Sallah Aldain A Kurd, if you read his biography it is stated that he coming from Azerbaijan and not a native of Mesopotamia too.
Look at the word structure of ‘Kurdistan’ is not a sematic word it is in the same sound of the Indo-asian vocabulary (eg. Kasakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan…etc)
To claim that Kurds are native of Mesopotamia you need to show some prove?
Mesopotamia was ruled by Assyrian Empire (with power-states like Nineveh Babylon, Nimrod, Arbil…) later the Assyrians converted to Christianity and many of their ancient temple became churches like (Nabu Y’nis in Mosul) which was sadly later converted into a mosque. But other tribes lived in iraq too like the Arameans, Sabeans and probably yezids, but no kurds only until the ottoman empire that kurds appeared in north Iraq region.

[Darkseid]

Historic facts stated that Kurds of iraqi region came from Azerbijan.

If it is a fact then there should be references. Since there are references online about it (if it is a fact) then show me.

BTW... It is not Azerbaijan. It is the area of Iran below Azerbaijan known as Media.

But that is only a part of the Kudish Identity.

Remember Kurds are hybrids like Mexicans, they comprise of more than one root of ancestory. Like two branches of a tree verging to become one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fo-9CAojLo&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/scyth.htm

That one there explains the actual anger against the Kurds. Medians destroyed the Assyrian's little empire.



And that is the land of the Medians, ancestors of the Kurds.

In fact the Medians might have even called themselves Kurds, because Median comes from a Greek word, not a Median/Kurdish Word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrians

And that is the other ancestor of the Kurds, the Hurrians.

Hurrians have lived in Northen Mesopotamia since 2500 B.C.

The Hurrians inhabited virtually all parts of the Ancient Near East in the second millennium BC. They were probably the largest ethnic group in the region. However, in most parts the Hurrians made up only a minority of the population. A Hurrian population majority existed only in the Khabur River Valley and in the kingdom of Arrapha. By the first millennium BC the Hurrians had been assimilated with other peoples, except perhaps in the kingdom of Urartu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kurdistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_o ... Mahabad%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ararat

That is some convenient knowledge about the Kurds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrians

Guess what?

Hurrians (ancestors of Kurds) have lived in Northern Mesopotamia before the Assyrians.

2500 B.C. (Hurrians) > 2000 B.C. (Assyrians)

most definitely came from Indo-Asia some 200 years ago and are not native to Mesopotamia, Sallah Aldain A Kurd, if you read his biography it is stated that he coming from Azerbaijan and not a native of Mesopotamia too.

Azeri people live in Azerbaijan, not Kurds. Azeri speak Turkic and they are Iranic like the Kurds. But the Kurds are related to the Hurrians and the Medians.

Look at the word structure of ‘Kurdistan’ is not a sematic word it is in the same sound of the Indo-asian vocabulary (eg. Kasakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan…etc)

Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and Kasakhstan are all Turkic. Kurdistan is Iranic.

Hurrians aren't semetic and they have lived in Northern Mesopotamia for over five thousand years. They now exist as the Kurds, because they intermarry with the Medians. They still are Hurrians in the much of the same way they are Medians.

To claim that Kurds are native of Mesopotamia you need to show some prove?

You do know what the Hurrians are right?

Mesopotamia was ruled by Assyrian Empire (with power-states like Nineveh Babylon, Nimrod, Arbil…) l

It was also ruled by other people as well.

Also the Assyrians aren't the only Northern mesopotamians. You keep forgeting about the Hurrians.

after the Assyrians converted to Christianity and many of their ancient temple became churches like (Nabu Y’nis in Mosul) which was sadly later converted into a mosque. But other tribes lived in iraq too like the Arameans, Sabeans and probably yezids, but no kurds only until the ottoman empire that kurds appeared in north Iraq region.

You need proof man, because you keep forgetting about the Hurrians and the Medians.

The present-day home of the Kurds, the high mountain region south and south-east of Lake Van between Persia and Mesopotamia, was in the possession of Kurds before the time of the ancient Greek historian Xenophon, and was known as the country of the Carduchi, Cardyene or Cordyene. Xenophon referred to the Kurds in the Anabasis as "Kardukhi...a fierce and protective mountain-dwelling people" who attacked Greek armies in 400 BCE. A Kurdish kingdom named Corduene, situated to the east of Tigranocerta (east and south of present-day Diyarbakır, Turkey) became a province of the Roman Empire in 66 BCE and was under Roman control for four centuries until 384 CE.

The Roman historian Pliny, has considered Cordueni (inhabitants of Corduene) as descendants of Carduchis. He has stated, Joining on to Adiabene are the people formerly called the Carduchi and now the Cordueni, past whom flows the river Tigris....

Other small Kurdish kingdoms were Kavosids during Sassanid era.

[Rumtaya]

This is a nice map...if you would turn the green area froom right to left, you will have todays Kurdistan Boarders...hehehe

Assyria, was populated by not only semetic people, but also from others like Hurrians... i.e. Assyria was a Nation!





you see Assyria....thats our homeland...., where Ashur,Nineveh,Nimrod and even Arbil lies...., but today Kurds claim it as part of southern Kurdistan....

[img]http://www.imninalu.net/maps_file/AssyrianEmpire.jpg
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you see ASSYRIA was always Assyria....Hurrians as you mentioned where around the Khabour area and around Kirkuk...(near the mountain areas)

and, dont forget...to make a diffrence between an Empire and a Homeland....




DARK GREEN Assyrian Homeland...

light Green Assyrian Empire....


and here you have Southern Kurdistan...with the overlarged Boarders...

[Darkseid]

This is a nice map...if you would turn the green area froom right to left, you will have todays Kurdistan Boarders...hehehe

Assyria, was populated by not only semetic people, but also from others like Hurrians... i.e. Assyria was a Nation!





you see Assyria....thats our homeland...., where Ashur,Nineveh,Nimrod and even Arbil lies...., but today Kurds claim it as part of southern Kurdistan....

[img]http://www.imninalu.net/maps_file/AssyrianEmpire.jpg
[/img]



you see ASSYRIA was always Assyria....Hurrians as you mentioned where around the Khabour area and around Kirkuk...(near the mountain areas)

and, dont forget...to make a diffrence between an Empire and a Homeland....




DARK GREEN Assyrian Homeland...

light Green Assyrian Empire....


and here you have Southern Kurdistan...with the overlarged Boarders...

I find it so hilarious that you actually think that I am against there being an Assyrian state.

What I am against is the seperation/isolation treatment between Assyrians and the world.

Bugger off...

I think there should be an Assyrian state. I believe every ethnic group should have their own state before we establish a world government. So how about that, Mr. Assyria.

Assyrians have lived in Mesopotamia for 4,000 years. Hurrians (Kurds) have lived in Mesopotamia for 4,500 years.

So who do you think rightly should have that area? Hurrians have been there longer, dude.

But... lets take a minute to understand this under a different point of view.

The English are a mix of Saxon and Angle, which are from Germany. They aren't the true native inhabitants, but I do not oppose there being an England, because they need land for their people and there is no where else for them to go.

Now if I don't oppose English existence, then would you honestly think that I would oppose Assyrian existence?

Just because you weren't there first, doesn't mean you shouldn't have land there. But you should be glad just to have a least an independent city-state if that is all you could obtain. There is nothing wrong with being like San Marino.

I am not against the Turks living in Anatolia.

I am not against there being a Palestine and an Israel co-existing together.

I am not against there being "Arabs" living south of Assyria and Kurdistan. I am not against there being Turkmen living in Mesopotamia.

Practically everyone in Mesopotamia immigrated to that land in the past. So basically everyone is an immigrant just like they are in the United States.

[Rumtaya]

I find it so hilarious that you actually think that I am against there being an Assyrian state.

I didnt say that you are against an Assyrian State...

What I am against is the seperation/isolation treatment between Assyrians and the world.

I do not seperate myself from other Nations

Bugger off...

I think there should be an Assyrian state. I believe every ethnic group should have their own state before we establish a world government. So how about that, Mr. Assyria.

For sure there should be one, it is our RIGHT

Assyrians have lived in Mesopotamia for 4,000 years. Hurrians (Kurds) have lived in Mesopotamia for 4,500 years.

Hurrians are on of Kurdish anocorst, beside many others.....they for sure have mixed with Assyrians...

you see the map Assyria...there were no hurrians...only in the far north mesopotamia and around Arrapha...

The Assyrian Heartland which lies between Ashur and up two Nineveh...Tigres river...lower and greater Zab...was always Assyrian homeland... I am not claiming the WOLRD!!!

So who do you think rightly should have that area? Hurrians have been there longer, dude.

Since Hurrians are today not there, but Kurd as a mixture of others..have the right to have a homeland...but not caliming everything... Assyria for Assyrians...

But... lets take a minute to understand this under a different point of view.

The English are a mix of Saxon and Angle, which are from Germany. They aren't the true native inhabitants, but I do not oppose there being an England, because they need land for their people and there is no where else for them to go.

Now if I don't oppose English existence, then would you honestly think that I would oppose Assyrian existence?

Just because you weren't there first, doesn't mean you shouldn't have land there. But you should be glad just to have a least an independent city-state if that is all you could obtain. There is nothing wrong with being like San Marino.

I am not against the Turks living in Anatolia.

I am not against there being a Palestine and an Israel co-existing together.

I am not against there being "Arabs" living south of Assyria and Kurdistan. I am not against there being Turkmen living in Mesopotamia.

Practically everyone in Mesopotamia immigrated to that land in the past. So basically everyone is an immigrant just like they are in the United State

Everyone should have his homeland, I am not against anyone...I wish freedom peace and coexistence...


Assyrians are looking to ressetle their villages back from which they were displaced the last 40 years...and those are in dohuk province and north ninawa province... i.e. Assyria

wouldnt be a double moral...If Kurds can return to Kirkuk and other towns, but Assyrians not?

And when they do so, they are said to be refugees in Kurdistan? see my point???

[Darkseid]

I find it so hilarious that you actually think that I am against there being an Assyrian state.

I didnt say that you are against an Assyrian State...

You did imply it, Mr. Self-Righteous.

What I am against is the seperation/isolation treatment between Assyrians and the world.

I do not seperate myself from other Nations

Oh sure you don't....

Bugger off...

That's my line, ya thief.

I think there should be an Assyrian state. I believe every ethnic group should have their own state before we establish a world government. So how about that, Mr. Assyria.

For sure there should be one, it is our RIGHT

It is your RIGHT to have a state, not the entire world or the entire Middle-East or the entire Northern Mesopotamia.

There is nothing wrong with just having a mere city-state around Assur or Nineveh if that is all you could obtain. Because at least you have something to start with as you start growwing and taking in more land.

Assyrians have lived in Mesopotamia for 4,000 years. Hurrians (Kurds) have lived in Mesopotamia for 4,500 years.

Hurrians are on of Kurdish anocorst, beside many others.....they for sure have mixed with Assyrians...

you see the map Assyria...there were no hurrians...only in the far north mesopotamia and around Arrapha...

Those are just Kingdoms of Hurrians. You do know they did live in tribes too, right? And those tribes were situated around the Kurdish Mountains.

And FYI, the Hurrians first lived just North of Babylon before they had migrated and established their own kingdoms and this was all five hundred years before there were Assyrians base on actual evidence.

The Assyrian Heartland which lies between Ashur and up two Nineveh...Tigres river...lower and greater Zab...was always Assyrian homeland... I am not claiming the WOLRD!!!

WORD. LOL!

So you are basically saying that Chimps migrated into Northern Mesopotamia and evolved into Assyrians. LOL! I guess that sort of seperates you guys from the rest of Humanity.

BTW, Assyria will no longer be Assyria if all the Assyrians just suddenly died, so I would watch my mouth if I were you.

I mean what if in the future we all start living in space colonies and the Earth was destroyed by a collision with its own moon. Then what? Where is Assyria then bub? Space dust? Oh yes I can see it now, your people racing over to the depris of the Earth trying to find what part of it was Assyria.

Your people need to cut with the Nationalism Antics and the Isolative treatment towards Kurds.

It would better serve your interest in establishing a state without any enemies than it would be to make enemies, because you couldn't keep your mouths shut.

So who do you think rightly should have that area? Hurrians have been there longer, dude.

Since Hurrians are today not there.

Dude, the Kurds are the Hurrians. They just mix with the Medians borrowing their language and such. The land is still Hurrian and they still have lived there the whole time.

but Kurd as a mixture of others..have the right to have a homeland...but not caliming everything...

There are many Kurds that don't want to claim everything. Some Kurds rightfully acknowledge the existence of Zazas and other such people.

Diri, a friend of mine, has made a map showwing Assyria and Kurdistan.

Assyria for Assyrians...

Yeah even if Assyria is just a city-state.

But... lets take a minute to understand this under a different point of view.

The English are a mix of Saxon and Angle, which are from Germany. They aren't the true native inhabitants, but I do not oppose there being an England, because they need land for their people and there is no where else for them to go.

Now if I don't oppose English existence, then would you honestly think that I would oppose Assyrian existence?

Just because you weren't there first, doesn't mean you shouldn't have land there. But you should be glad just to have a least an independent city-state if that is all you could obtain. There is nothing wrong with being like San Marino.

I am not against the Turks living in Anatolia.

I am not against there being a Palestine and an Israel co-existing together.

I am not against there being "Arabs" living south of Assyria and Kurdistan. I am not against there being Turkmen living in Mesopotamia.

Practically everyone in Mesopotamia immigrated to that land in the past. So basically everyone is an immigrant just like they are in the United State

Everyone should have his homeland, I am not against anyone...I wish freedom peace and coexistence...

But all I hear out of your mouth is Assyria, Assyria, Assyria. That kind of talk can make anyone become insane.

If you are really so up with everyone having their one state, then why aren't doing something?

THat's what I thought. Because all you care about is yourself.

Assyrians are looking to ressetle their villages back from which they were displaced the last 40 years...and those are in dohuk province and north ninawa province... i.e. Assyria

wouldnt be a double moral...If Kurds can return to Kirkuk and other towns, but Assyrians not?

Well you should certainly not seek to suddenly move your people into other people's places trying to take them over. And I'm talking about the Kurds.

And when they do so, they are said to be refugees in Kurdistan? see my point???

Well if you had a world government with someone that your people knew was going to be working things in your favor, then things wouldn't be so bad now wouldn't they?

[alan131210]

guys join this argument please

http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/157568-kerkuk-kurdistan-badran-habeeb.html