Sorani + Kurmanci Mix = New Kurdish!

[Johny Bravo]

hi, i question again:

do use sorani and kelhuri speakers also "gund" and "chiya" for "village" and "mountain"? thank you

[Sirwan]

hi, i question again:

do use sorani and kelhuri speakers also "gund" and "chiya" for "village" and "mountain"? thank you

In Sorani yes we use both words, but I'm not sure for Kelhuri. Your are welcome!

[Johny Bravo]

it were nice if you ask some kelhuri-speakers this words. thank you.

[Johny Bravo]

a quesion again, sorry, what is kurmanji "vir" ("here") in sorani and kelhuri? thank you.

[Sirwan]

a quesion again, sorry, what is kurmanji "vir" ("here") in sorani and kelhuri? thank you.

In sorani it is pronounced as ''êre''. The Kalhurs and Badinanis whom I've met also used the same ''êre''.

[Johny Bravo]

@sirwan

not as "wêre"?

[Sirwan]

@sirwan

not as "wêre"?

Not in Sorani!!

[Johny Bravo]

hi sirwan, do you know what is in farsi "as", example: he is as you good. thank you (i ask because i create a linguistic list).

[Sirwan]

hi sirwan, do you know what is in farsi "as", example: he is as you good. thank you (i ask because i create a linguistic list).

Endazeyê
or
Mêslê, (also shortened to ''Mêssê''). this word is from Arabic ''Misl''.

[Diri]

Soranî:

Mountain = Şax / Kwêstan
Village = Lade

In Colemêrgî we say "Lêre" = "Here"...

And also - "Ew dere" -----> pronounced "ede" or "ewde" in Colemêrgî...


We don't pronounce R's in the middle of words and at the end of words...

English - Kurmancî (ST) - Colemêrgî Kurmancî***
Tree ----- Dar --------------- Da
Rain ----- Baran ------------ Baan
Snake --- Mar -------------- Ma
Ram ----- Beran ------------ Bean

Note: instead of pronouncing the R, we prolong the vowel...

*** Not all Colemêrgî of course - but most... It depends a little on tribe as well - but generally speaking, this is a trait of Colemêrgî Kurmancî.

[Sirwan]

Sorani:
ladê = countryside
dê/gund/awayî = village
mîredê = big village (where mîr resides)
kwêredê = remote village
shax = rocky mountain
lutke = summit
chiya = high mountain
kêw = mountain (southern pronounciation is kêf)
kwêstan = mountain range
xir (similar to Sumerian 'kur') = hill
gird = mound
dol = valley
etc...

[Diri]

Sorani:
ladê = countryside
dê/gund/awayî = village
mîredê = big village (where mîr resides)
kwêredê = remote village
shax = rocky mountain
lutke = summit
chiya = high mountain
kêw = mountain (southern pronounciation is kêf)
kwêstan = mountain range
xir (similar to Sumerian 'kur') = hill
gird = mount
dol = valley
etc...

Awsome... Thanks for the list! And thanks for correcting me...

[Johny Bravo]

A question, are this words in LEKI right?:

English: Hungry, Rain, Wind, Spring, Leave, Lamb, Wolf, Say, Remembrance, Voice, verb-stem for "see" in prense
Leki: Wersî, Waran, Wa, Wehar, Welng, Werek, Werg, Watin, Wîr, Hena, dwî

what is in kelhuri AND leki this other words:

kidyney (kurmanci: gurchik), change (kurmanji: guhartin), flower (kurmanci: gul), snow (kurmanji: berf), widow (kurmanji: bî, jinêbî), heart (kurmanji: dil), lie (kurmanji: derew), laugh (kurmanji: kenîn), sleep (kurmanji: xew), ram (kurmanji: beran), bride (kurmanji: bûk), summer (kurmanji: havîn), buy (kurmanji: kirîn), fox (kurmanjî: rovi), blue (kurmanjî: shîn), gras (kurmanji: giya), to itch (kurmanji: Xurandın), font (kurmanji: kanî), pig (kurmanji: beraz), run (kurmanji: bezin), choose (kurmanji: hilbijartin), people (kurmanji: gel), as (kurmanji: wek), yesterday (kurmanji: duh), salt (kurmanji: xwey), son (kurmanji: kur), inside (kurmanji: nav), evening (kurmanji: evar), black (kurmanji: resh), village (kurmanji: gund),

THANK YOU!

EDIT:
do say all kelhuri speakers to hunger: birsî? or is there also "wersî" in kelhuri?

[Emanoelkurdistani]

Well beside Kelhûrî, Lekî, Gerrûsî is another Goranî sub-dialect spoken in Gerrûs region (Bîcar city) northeast of Sine (Persian : Senendec). Also the Kurdish spoken in Sine, Erdellanî Soranî, could be considered as a band between Goranî and Soranî dialects. So I like to compose a list of your requested words in the above Kurdish dialects:


Erdellanî (Soranî) : Gerrûsî (Goranî) : Kelhûrî (Goranî) : Lekî (Goranî) : English

birsî : wirsî : birsî : wersî/vesî : hungry
baran : baran : waran : w/varan : rain
ba : wa : wa : wa : wind
behar/wehar : wehar : wehar : wehar : spring
gella/bellg/wellg : gella : gella : welg : leaf
gûrg/werg : gûrî : gûrg : gûrg : wolf
witin : witin : witin : wetin/vetin : to say
bîr/ya : ya/bîr : bîr/wîr : bîr : remembrance
deng : deng : deng : deng : voice
wîn- : wîn- : wîn- : wîn- : "see" in present
kûlye : kûlye : kûlye : goradalle : kidney
gorrandin : gorranin : gorranin/ewez kirdin : ewezî kirdin : to change
gûll (also "will" in meaning of "blossom") : gûll : gûll : gûll : flower
befr/wefr : wefr : wefr : ver : snow
bêwe : bî/bîwe : bîwe : bîvî : widow
dill : dill : dill : dill : heart
direw/dirô : direw/dirô : direw/dirû : dirû : lie
kenîn : kenîn : kenîn : xenîn : to laugh
xew : xew : xew : xew : sleep
wewî/vewî : weyî : erûs/weyî : bewî : bride
tawsan : tawsan : tawsan : tawsan : summer
sendin/kirrîn : senîn/kirrîn : senîn/kirrîn : xirrîn : to buy
rêvî : revî : rovî : rovî/rûwa : fox
kewg : kew : kew : kew : blue
giya/gej : giya : giya/gej : giya : grass
xurandin : xuranin : xuranin : xuranin : to itch
kanî : kenî : kanî : kenî : font
xwêyg/xûk : xûy : xûy : xû : pig
herra : herra : herra : ferar : run
intixab kirdin/hellbijardin : intixaw kirdin/hellbijarîn : intixaw kirdin/hellbijarîn : intixaw kirdin : to choose
merdim : merdim : merdim : merdim : people
wek : wek : wek : wek : as
dwêke : dwêke : dwêke : dînî : yesterday
xwa/nimek : xwa : nimek/xwa : nimek : salt
kûr : kûr : kûr : kûr : son
naw : naw : naw : nûm : inside
êware : îware : îware : îware : evening
reş/siya : siye : reş/siye : sî : black
dê/awayî : hûz*/dê : dê/deşt/hûz : dê : village

*"hûz" or "hoz" originally mean "tribe"/"people"in Soranî and Goranî both. But in Gerrûsî it mainly means "village"/"settlement"/"house". Same thing has happened for Pehlewî word "gûnd" in meaning of "group of people" which turns into "village" in Kurmancî and Soranî dialects.

[Diri]

@sirwan

not as "wêre"?

In Colemêrg and Badînan you will find that people tend to say "Wêrê" - which is short for "Wê derê" = "This place/spot/location"...