mother in kurmanji

[Emanoelkurdistani]

I disagree, kake...

Because it is in man's nature to name things differently by their quality - to distinquish them from other similar things/names...

When speaking we say "Badimcan" for tomatoes, and "Badimcana Reş" for aubergine...

One can only distinguish the two by color or shape if both are named "Badimcan"...

Hence the add-on "Reş" or "Sor"... So no - I disagree with you... What makes you think that Kurds borrowed that logic from the Turks? Who says it wasn't the other way around? We all know the Turks are descendants of a barbar central Asian culture - they had little or no knowledge of vegetables, agriculture etc...


So I stand firm - the add-on Reş or Sor is to distinguish the two from one another - because of their similarities in name - one is forced to point out the obvious characteristic difference (one being red and the other black) to create understanding...

Well I just explained you bro. Plants and vegetables such as tomatoes, potatoes, etc. come from the west therefore their names are western names (tomato, tomate, tomata, pomidor, etc.). But eggplants is native to the near east. In Iranian languages we have "badêmcan", "badimcan", "bayêncan", "bamcan", badêmcûn, "bacan", etc. to definite eggplants. No doubt that Turks are descendants of one the most ignorant races - barbars- ever seen. They had no knowledge of native near eastern vegetables and plants. Hence there are many Persian, Kurdish and Arabic words for vegetables and plants in different Turkic languages. Also its clear that Turkish might, like any other languages, have its own special elements/compositions. First Turks loaned "badimcan" from Kurdish or Persian then after introducing "tomatoes" they called this new plant "girmizi badimcan" and "bdimcan" as "qere badimcan". No doubt that this a Turkish composition, because main body of Azeri and central Turkish speakers say so and there is not such composition in any Kurdish dialects –except some Kurmancî varieties which are next to Turkish or Azeri populated areas- or other Iranian languages. Indeed Ottomans power and influence on the area by the time of introducing "tomatoes" could leave such effect.

[Ciwan]

hmm... we in Serhad area say (' ' Cî ' ')

Cîya mi = my mother
Cîya te = your mother
Cîya wî = its mother
Cîya me = our mother

Cîya min/Gîya min is the very gundî/rural version of saying "my mother". Not verry common. Generally, you use "d"îya min".

[Diri]

According to rules of Latin Kurdish Standard - one cannot write an "î" before a "y"...


So therefore it must be:

Diya min

Not: Dîya min...


Cheers

[Nazelia.]

Daye,
Dayik

[lak-kurd]

I am Lek from Iran...I call my mother "daa"...Sorry I don't know too much about kurdish Latin alphabet.
Grandmather=Da'kalenga
Grandfather=Ba'kalenga
in Leki Kaleng means big

[Emanoelkurdistani]

I am Lek from Iran...I call my mother "daa"...Sorry I don't know too much about kurdish Latin alphabet.
Grandmather=Da'kalenga
Grandfather=Ba'kalenga
in Leki Kaleng means big

Greetings and welcome my brother "Lak-Kurd" from Iran. It is a pleasure to have you here.

"Dae" is the correct spelling.

You can get information on the New Kurdish Alphabet here:

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/238

Also you can learn about the former Turkish-based Latin alphabet of Kurdish.

Here are some examples of Latin alphabet in Persian:

a: like "a" in Persian "aram" ~ "calm"
b: like "b" in Persian "baran" ~ "rain"
c: like "c" in Persian "chahar" ~ "four"
d: like "d" in Persian "dur" ~ "far"
e: like "a" in Persian "az" ~ "from" or "aks" ~ "picture"
é: like "e" in Persian "eyd" ~ "holiday"
f: like "f" in Persian "fars" ~ "Persian"
g: like "g" in Persian "gorg" ~ "wolf"
h: like "h" in Persian "heyvan" ~ "animal"
i: not in Persian, but "i" in Kurdish "kirdin" ~ "[size=150]کردن", "birdin" ~ "بردن", "hwardin" ~ "هورادن"
í: like "i" in Persian "iran" ~ "Iran"
j: like "j" in Persian "jangal" ~ "jungle"
jh: not common in Persian, but like "jh" in Kurdish "rojh" ~ "روژ" (day)
k: like "k" in Persian "kar" ~ "work"
l: like "l" in Persian "sal" ~ "year"
m: like "m" in Persian "madar" ~ "mother"
n: like "n" in Persian "panj" ~ "five"
o: like "o" in Persian "omid" ~ "hope"
p: like "p" in Persian "pedar" ~ "father"
q: like "q" in Persian "qodrat" ~ "power"
r: like "r" in Persian "rah" ~ "way"
s: like "s" in Persian "sar" ~ "head"
sh: like "sh" in Persian "shahr" ~ "city"
t: like "t" in Persian "haft" ~ "seven"
u: like "u" in Persian "nur" ~ "light"
v: like "v" in Persian "divaneh" ~ "crazy"
w: not in Persian, but "w" in Kurdish "aw" ~ "آو" (water), "hwardin" ~ "هواردن" (to eat)
x: like "kh" in Persian "khabar" ~ "news"
y: like "y" in Persian "yek" ~ "one"
z: like "z" in Persian "zard" ~ "yellow"[/size]

[lak-kurd]

daset niji kaka...

[Emanoelkurdistani]

Ban cewelim kake

Feel free to ask any questions you have. I am Iranian too. You may speak Leki Kurdish or Persian to me at your will. I understand both.

Here I try to give Lekí examples of Latin alphabet:

a : aw (water)

b : birdin (to carry)

c : cuwar (four)

d : dae (mother)

e : esp (horse)

é : mé (I, me)

f : fire (very)

g : géstin (to want)

h : hwardin (to eat)

i : kirdin (to do)

í : kurdí (Kurdish)

j : juwan (young)

jh : rujh (day)

k : lek (Lek)

l : mal (house)

m : mirdin (to die)

n : ne (no)

o : zor (power)

p : pír (old)

q : qírandin (to shout)

r : ra (for)

s : sal (year)

sh : resh (black)

t : tír (arrow)

u : kur (boy)

v : vitin (to say)

w : wire (there)

x : Xweda (God)

y : yar (friend)

z : zu (early)

I hope they would be useful for you.

Umídwarim errat múfíd bon.

Omídvarem ké mofíd bashend.

[lak-kurd]

Ban cewelim kake

Feel free to ask any questions you have. I am Iranian too. You may speak Leki Kurdish or Persian to me at your will. I understand both.

Here I try to give Lekí examples of Latin alphabet:

a : aw (water)

b : birdin (to carry)

c : cuwar (four)

d : dae (mother)

e : esp (horse)

é : mé (I, me)

f : fire (very)

g : géstin (to want)

h : hwardin (to eat)

i : kirdin (to do)

í : kurdí (Kurdish)

j : juwan (young)

jh : rujh (day)

k : lek (Lek)

l : mal (house)

m : mirdin (to die)

n : ne (no)

o : zor (power)

p : pír (old)

q : qírandin (to shout)

r : ra (for)

s : sal (year)

sh : resh (black)

t : tír (arrow)

u : kur (boy)

v : vitin (to say)

w : wire (there)

x : Xweda (God)

y : yar (friend)

z : zu (early)

I hope they would be useful for you.

Umídwarim errat múfíd bon.

Omídvarem ké mofíd bashend.

dset neiji kaka:) I undrestand sorani but not fluent...That's very kind of you

[Emanoelkurdistani]

dset neiji kaka:) I undrestand sorani but not fluent...That's very kind of you

Any time brother. It is ok, I myself belong to somewhere around Kirmanshan from my paternal side. There people speak a variety very close to Lekí. You are welcome again buddy.

[Johny Bravo]

"Balcan, badimcan, badincan, bancan" have not doing with the word "Badem", "badem" comes from Middle Iranian "vâdâm" while "badincân/badingân" goes to Old Arian "vetingene", look here:

http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/?k=patl%C4%B1can

Kek Dîrî is right. If the kurds have an own arian word for this issue, why they should use western words for it?

[Emanoelkurdistani]

"Balcan, badimcan, badincan, bancan" have not doing with the word "Badem", "badem" comes from Middle Iranian "vâdâm" while "badincân/badingân" goes to Old Arian "vetingene", look here:

http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/?k=patl%C4%B1can

Kek Dîrî is right. If the kurds have an own arian word for this issue, why they should use western words for it?

I disagree bro, "tomato" is a plant native to South America. It was introduced to the Old World via Spanish people during their colonization of the New World. The name itself is a Nahuatl (an Unto-Aztecan language) term "tomatl" (literally "a tomato") which became "tomate" in Spanish. A British appointee was the first to bring it to Middle East in the nineteenth century. Allegedly "Ermeni Badenjan" (~ "Armenian Eggplant") was initially applied for calling it over Iran. However Persians presently refer to it as "Gowje Ferengi" (~ "European Plum"). Regarding to the fact that it is not an indigenous herb then to use its original term makes us better off.

By the way "bademjan" is the colloquial form of "badenjan" and I did not mean to associate it with "wayem" / "bayem" ~ "almond".

[Johny Bravo]

By the way "bademjan" is the colloquial form of "badenjan" and I did not mean to associate it with "wayem" / "bayem" ~ "almond".

You not, but Diri has connected it with the word "almond".

[Emanoelkurdistani]

You not, but Diri has connected it with the word "almond".

I see, ok bro.

[Torî]

I always say Bacane Sor but I have friends insisting that the proper kurdish word for tomato is firingî.

And I always say yadê and yabo even though I thinkt that's a word created thanks to semitic influence.

Ya - De = Yadê
Ya - Rabbi
Ya - Xwode

I also have a similar theory about the origins of Yabo, Ya - Bav mutated into Yabo.

I was shocked the first time I heard people say Ciya min instead of diya min, where did the "C" sound come from.