The results of the elections in the İnönü Republic

[New Corduene]

Despite their victory, what saddens me the most is the fact that BDP didn't enter as a party! Because after seeing poll results, one can say that it was highly possible for BDP to surpass the % 10 threshold, which not only would increase its credibility, but in fact it could've sent as many as 55 member to the parliament! And possibly replace the MHP as being the third largest party and it would become the true representatives of the Kurds, and a great powerhouse in the parliament!

Still, what has been achieved is remarkable, hopefully the planned change in the constitution will lead to the decrease of the bloody threshold and that will lead to an even stronger Kurdish party in the next election.

[Azamat]

Dersim voted for the Kemalists?! That's a motherf*cking disgrace! Have they not forgotten the great massacre of 1937? All the atrocities that the Kemalist state inflicted on the Dersimis? Their martyred forebears are rolling in their unmarked graves.

As a Dersim Kurd, I am infuriated. Is all this because of the Zaza 'nationalists'(anti-Kurdists), who are nothing more than nuisonic promoters of subservience and inferiority? This is prostitute behaviour and refuse to tolerate it.

[Djembe]

(pointless and illogical) 10% cutoff for parliamentary representation.

Why is it pointless? This system has a point to give additional boost for the first party in the election when forming government in order to avoid coalition. You can object but it has merits.

[Djembe]

... which make much of the Turkish masses accepting of the authoritarian methods of the AKP (as though arrests of journalists and censorship and state control of the media and schools is anything new, not to mention all the Kurdish children locked up in the Southeast, the AKP didn't start that).

How about the authoritarian methods of PKK, for example, threatening business to close down. Attacking political party offices in Kurdistan region?

[Djembe]

Here is my hypothetical question!

Let us says there are 25 percent of Kurds in Turkey. And BDP gets 7 percent of vote. That means majority of Kurds are not supporting BDP. If 25 percent of Kurds are correct number, that means only 28 percent of Kurdish people in Turkey supports BDP.

[Djembe]

Let us be honest. Many Kurds still vote based on the political power of feudalism in Kurdistan. No?

[Djembe]

Dersim voted for the Kemalists?! That's a motherf*cking disgrace! Have they forgotten the great massacre of 1937, and all the other atrocities that the Kemalist state inflicted on the Dersimis? Their martyred forebears are rolling in their unmarked graves.

As a Dersim Kurd, I am infuriated. Is this because of the Zaza 'nationalists'(anti-Kurdists), who are nothing more than nuisonic promoters of subservience and inferiority? This is prostitute behaviour and refuse to tolerate it.

Let us face it, many Kurds are still voting based on the influence of feudalism.

[kurd-sthanam]

Let us face it, many Kurds are still voting based on the influence of feudalism.

[ideas]

Here is my hypothetical question!

Let us says there are 25 percent of Kurds in Turkey. And BDP gets 7 percent of vote. That means majority of Kurds are not supporting BDP. If 25 percent of Kurds are correct number, that means only 28 percent of Kurdish people in Turkey supports BDP.

This is a nationalist Kurdish forum, these kind of statements will just go through one ear and leave through the other. The AKP has support becuase it's rich and abuses the simple mind of the conservative Kurdish muslim, the BDP needs to change it's image to please the Muslims in the region, and as we saw the AKP won in mardin in the previous election and in this one they lost.

[Djembe]

This is a nationalist Kurdish forum, these kind of statements will just go through one ear and leave through the other. The AKP has support becuase it's rich and abuses the simple mind of the conservative Kurdish muslim, the BDP needs to change it's image to please the Muslims in the region, and as we saw the AKP won in mardin in the previous election and in this one they lost.

I disagree with your 'simple mind'. I respect those conservative Kurdish people, or leftist Kurdish people, or nationalist Kurdish people to decide what to vote.

The reason is, in my opinion, as Turks, Kurdish people are sophisticated when it comes to politics. Kurdish population is diverse as well. I know many Kurdish people, many have Turkish wife/husbands and they are integrated to the society of Turkey and their priority could be economy, employment etc. They do not have the priority of 'Kurdish nationalism'.

[Djembe]

The truth hurts. Thanks for confirming this.

[ideas]

This is a nationalist Kurdish forum, these kind of statements will just go through one ear and leave through the other. The AKP has support becuase it's rich and abuses the simple mind of the conservative Kurdish muslim, the BDP needs to change it's image to please the Muslims in the region, and as we saw the AKP won in mardin in the previous election and in this one they lost.

I disagree with your 'simple mind'. I respect those conservative Kurdish people, or leftist Kurdish people, or nationalist Kurdish people to decide what to vote.

The reason is, in my opinion, as Turks, Kurdish people are sophisticated when it comes to politics. Kurdish population is diverse as well. I know many Kurdish people, many have Turkish wife/husbands and they are integrated to the society of Turkey and their priority could be economy, employment etc. They do not have the priority of 'Kurdish nationalism'.

Simple mind? we've seen this all before, in the 80's the majority of Kurds were supporters of the Baath too. and now? 2005 referendum: The result was an overwhelming majority of 98.8% favoring an independent Kurdistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurd ... ndum,_2005

the facts remain:-

Turkish parties are rich, Kurds are not they can therefore deliver on promises such as jobs where as Kurdish parties don't have much to offer.
The security is controlled by Turks
Kurdish parties receive abuse and imprisonment
AKP abuses the religious factor with in the Kurdish population
There is an assimilation campaign going on - ongoing for tens of years.

Like I said, the BDP needs an image change, and their votes are on the increase you can't deny that.

[Azamat]

The reason is, in my opinion, as Turks, Kurdish people are sophisticated when it comes to politics. Kurdish population is diverse as well. I know many Kurdish people, many have Turkish wife/husbands and they are integrated to the society of Turkey and their priority could be economy, employment etc. They do not have the priority of 'Kurdish nationalism'.

These people need enlightenment, and I'm sure that's a realistically achievable goal. Otherwise they also wouldn't have been able to participate in Turkish society to such an extent.

[Djembe]

This is a nationalist Kurdish forum, these kind of statements will just go through one ear and leave through the other. The AKP has support becuase it's rich and abuses the simple mind of the conservative Kurdish muslim, the BDP needs to change it's image to please the Muslims in the region, and as we saw the AKP won in mardin in the previous election and in this one they lost.

I think BDP, nationalist party is not going to satisfy all the Kurdish population even though it changes its images. I think, if Kurdish people wants to be heard, they need to be active in different ideological fronts that includes AKP, CHP. Ideally, as I don't consider CHP as a leftist party, a leftist party that has a strong Kurdish presence with Turks would make a lots of differences.

[Djembe]

Turkish parties are rich, Kurds are not they can therefore deliver on promises such as jobs where as Kurdish parties don't have much to offer.
The security is controlled by Turks
Kurdish parties receive abuse and imprisonment
AKP abuses the religious factor with in the Kurdish population
There is an assimilation campaign going on - ongoing for tens of years.

Like I said, the BDP needs an image change, and their votes are on the increase you can't deny that.

I somehow agree with your list. Disagreement is the need of change for BDP. As I pointed earlier, different Kurdish groups have different priorities. Many Kurdish are not as excited as those support independent Kurdish movement. Many Kurdish are religious. And this is not a AKP brainwashing. This is one of the characteristic of region. Whether Turk, Kurd, Persian, Arab some are religious, some are not. Look at Palestinians. Look at Hamas, look at Fatah movement. I say, the standing up for Kurdish on different platform is an advantage. BDP is only representing one ideology which is nationalism.