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Iran leader tells Libya rebels to beware of West

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:53 pm

Oh the hippocracy and irony. You'd think Iran give a few hints on how to oppress its people, just like it does to us. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HySCzeMWLt8&feature=feedu
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PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:13 pm

Oh lets see whats happening in Iran right now... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_oH1LRiu3E
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PostAuthor: Azamat » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:18 pm

How is telling the Libyan people to keep their distance from the West a 'guide to oppression'? And in case you want to invovle Kurds in this subject, let me tell you this: distancing ourselves from the Western world will provide us with hundreds more times of 'freedom' than embracing a semi-dictatorial, resource-draining oil autocracy. As much as I think the racist Islamic regime of Iran should be removed, I am also fiercely opposed to the West's interference in affairs that do not concern them. As I stated before, this also applies to southern Kurdistan, but unfortunately I have no say in what goes on in its political and economic arena.

I am hoping for the Libyan people to remain unspoiled by capitalistic infestation.
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PostAuthor: talsor » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:25 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Oh the hippocracy and irony. You'd think Iran give a few hints on how to oppress its people, just like it does to us. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HySCzeMWLt8&feature=feedu


The Guy (mulla ) said that Libyan uprizing was actually inspired by the Iranian Islamic revolusion :lol: :lol:
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PostAuthor: talsor » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:48 pm

Azamat wrote:How is telling the Libyan people to keep their distance from the West a 'guide to oppression'? And if you attempt to invovle Kurds in this subject, let me tell you this: distancing ourselves from the Western world will provide us with hundreds more times of 'freedom' than embracing a semi-dictatorial, resource-draining oil autocracy. As much as I think the racist Islamic regime of Iran should be removed, I am also fiercely opposed to the West's interference in affairs that do not concern them. As I stated before, this also applies to southern Kurdistan, but unfortunately I have no say in what goes on in its political and economic arena.

I am hoping for the Libyan people to remain unspoiled by capitalistic infestation.


I totally agree with you , but the words coming from the Iranian regime is very similar to a bad cooking show when the chief makes a mess and end up saying "do not do what I do , just do what I say ".

It is a new kind of colonization using soft power and flashy slogans and the naive stupid African and middle Eastern are falling for it due to lack of choice . It is either a brutal , oppressive dictatorship or a chaotic ,exploited , religious , ethnic driven society . There is some hope in the second choice and change in general gives human hope for a better life .
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PostAuthor: Azamat » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:54 pm

talsor wrote:It is a new kind of colonization using soft power and flashy slogans and the naive stupid African and middle Eastern are falling for it due to lack of choice . It is either a brutal , oppressive dictatorship or a chaotic ,exploited , religious , ethnic driven society . There is some hope in the second choice and change in general gives human hope for a better life .

I'm aware of the fact that following the path of the 'second choice' is currently a necessity. But as we progress, we will eventually reach a point at which this can, and must end. And I think the foreign oil companies currently drilling for our oil is already a step too far. We must learn that our resources are way more valuable than some oil-money, because it is very likely that we might need them for ourselves in the future.

I think this supposed 'unsustainability' of an independent (south)Kurdistan is blown out of proportion. The key to overcoming foreign dependency is educating the upcoming generations. We need economists, engineers and scientists for us to achieve our total self-sustainability. It's a second nature that comes with landlocked countries.

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Re: Iran leader tells Libya rebels to beware of West

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:08 am

Yes we don't want to be slaves to western powers, but we also don't want to be burning their flags and chanting "death to them". Were not in the greatest of positions to create more enemies, as we already have. Before we blame anyone else, we should blame ourselves. Of course Libya is for NATO's control and purpose solely, not the people. Its not rocket science. Libya+dictator+oil=West's interference. I'd rather Kurdistan stay nuetral, rather than align to western nations or eastern nations. I don't want Kurdistan turning into some fanatical anti-west state, like Iran or Turkey. Isn't that what were fighting not to become.

@ Azamat, what Iran says is actually our problem, no its actually going to create problem. As Kurds are in Iran. I just can't stand the fact that Iran talks about oppression, when their oppressing us. To think my uncle died for Iran, during Iran-Iraq war would change that.
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PostAuthor: talsor » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:12 am

Azamat wrote: I think the foreign oil companies currently drilling for our oil is already a step too far. We must learn that our resources are way more valuable than some oil-money, because it is very likely that we might need them for ourselves in the future.


Kurdistan is untouched in term of resources due to decade of fighting . It is very tempting destination for the foreign investors who bring fortune to Kurdistan. None of that really matter in the long run , but in the short terms it is a necessity because the west is forced to protect their investments in the region thus protecting Kurdistan until we can stand on our own . Investments if it is done right would bring lots of prosperity to the region which is very evident in Southern Kurdistan .

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I think this supposed 'unsustainability' of an independent (south)Kurdistan is blown out of proportion. The key to overcoming foreign dependency is educating the upcoming generations. We need economists, engineers and scientists for us to achieve our total self-sustainability. It's a second nature that comes with landlocked countries.


The world is turning to a global village and I would say it is almost impassible to be totally self sustained these days . The only country that came close to doing it is Cuba and they still suffer from the Western pressure until today .
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Re: Iran leader tells Libya rebels to beware of West

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:05 am

True, but dependecies over time can be reduced and turned into self-suffienct nation. Not unless you want a national socialist state :lol:
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Re: Iran leader tells Libya rebels to beware of West

PostAuthor: Azamat » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:34 am

talsor wrote:None of that really matter in the long run

Of course it matters in the long run. Once the foreign investors get a hold on our resources, they will, with the West's blessing, not let go until they're totally drained. And these resources do not just regrow on the back of our necks. Don't you think we might need them for ourselves one day?

The world is turning to a global village and I would say it is almost impassible to be totally self sustained these days . The only country that came close to doing it is Cuba and they still suffer from the Western pressure until today .

In contrast to Kurdistan, Cuba lacks the natural resources to be self-sustained. And it is certainly possible to avoid the singular dependency on the West by not falling under that sphere of influence. Do you know how Thailand remained independent during the colonial era? By profiteering from two rival Western powers simultaneously. If we have any shortcomings, they should be provided for by different world powers, instead of only the West.

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