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PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:28 pm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204720204577128211633989868.html
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By AYLA ALBAYRAK
ISTANBUL—At least 35 people were killed on Turkey's border with northern Iraq late Wednesday, in what Kurdish politicians say was a Turkish air strike against civilians, possibly mistaken for members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK.

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Residents stand near of the bodies of people who were killed in an air strike in the village of Uludere, southeast Turkey.
.According to lawmakers from the pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party, or BDP, bombs dropped by Turkish warplanes killed more than 35 Kurdish villagers crossing from northern Iraq to their home villages in Turkey's southeastern province of Sirnak around 9.30pm Wednesday night. There were varying estimates of the total death toll from Kurdish politicians, but BDP official Altan Tan said 36 had been killed, while one local mayor said 19 of the dead were from one family.

Fehmi Yaman, the Kurdish mayor in the Uludere district of Sirnak, said 35 civilians from the villages of Ortasu and Gulyazi had been confirmed dead and identified by noon Thursday.

"They were smuggling diesel oil from Iraq as they had done for years ... Villagers informed me about this around 1 a.m., when they reached the bodies. Some bodies were in pieces and some burnt to black. The villagers wrapped bodies and body parts in blankets," the mayor said. Video footage by Turkey's Dogan news agency showed people weeping around a line of some twenty or more bodies, wrapped up in blankets, before carrying them in a pickup truck in the border province of Sirnak.

Turkey's General Staff Armed Forces, or TSK, confirmed Thursday that it had conducted an air strike against a group of people late Wednesday evening on the Iraqi side of the border. The statement said that the military had received intelligence warning that terrorists were forming groups and preparing attacks against Turkish military posts along the border region.

"The group was taken under fire between 9.37 and 10.24 p.m., after [they were] determined to be in an area frequently used by terrorists, and upon detecting movement toward our border at night time," the statement on the TSK website said.

According to the military statement, captured PKK members have told in interrogators that terrorists smuggle weapons and explosives, to be used in operations against Turkish security forces, on the backs of animals—just as smugglers carry their loads and containers. The statement said an unmanned military aircraft had spotted the group approaching the border of Turkey three hours before the attack.

"The official statement by the General Staff solely aims at covering up this massacre," the BDP said in a written statement on Thursday, calling for Turkey's ruling AK Party to give account of the deaths.

The Governorate of Sirnak province initially said 20 people had died at the border region but later confirmed in a statement that 35 had been killed and one wounded as a result of an air operation late Wednesday at the border of Iraq, close to the district of Uludere, according to state-run Anadolu news agency. "Legal and administrative investigation and procedures to the event have started," the statement said. The deaths are likely to further escalate tensions between Turkey and its Kurdish minority, fueling fears that the conflict that has simmered since 1984 could reignite.

The Kurdistan Communities Union, or KCK, an umbrella organization which the government said acts as the urban wing of the PKK, accused the General Staff of misinformation. The KCK said in a statement said that the air strike took part on the Turkish side of the border and over 18 miles away from the place where the military statement said the incident happened.

"It is impossible for the TSK not to know that these people were not [PKK] guerrillas," the KCK said. "This path is used by civilians for the last seven to eight years, as is generally known by the soldiers. Everyone [knows] that guerrillas do not travel with 40-50 mules in the middle of the winter in that area."

In 1994, 45 civilians, many of them women and children, were killed in two villages of Sirnak, Kocagali and Kuskonar, in a military air strike. "That investigation is still going on," said the lawyer of the case in 1994, Mr. Tahir Elci, a human-rights lawyer working in the city of Diyarbakir.

Turkey's military resumed cross-border operations to northern Iraq in October, after the PKK killed 24 Turkish soldiers in a series of raids on Turkish military posts in Hakkari province by the border, in one of the deadliest PKK attacks in almost three decades of armed conflict. Sporadic land and air operations against PKK bases in northern mountains of Iraq have taken place since 2007, but the Turkish military has been unable to paralyze the organization, which conducts regular attacks in the Southeast Turkey against security forces.

Earlier this month, the Turkish police detained scores in a wave of raids focused on pro-Kurdish media organizations.

Turkey's conflict with the PKK has claimed some 30,000-40,000 lives, according to varying estimates. At the beginning, the organization campaigned for an independent Kurdish state, but for the last years it has demanded Kurdish autonomy and equal rights for Kurds in Turkey. The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by the U.S., the European Union and Turkey.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:41 pm

God will revenge us if the world is too pussy to do/say something about this .
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Re: Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:43 pm

alan131210 wrote:God will revenge us if the world is too pussy to do/say something about this .

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PostAuthor: Piling » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:48 pm

They were between 16 and 20… poor boys.
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PostAuthor: Rando » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:57 pm

may they rest in peace.
The turks shhould go back to their homeland (mongolia) and stop terrorizing the orginal people of antolia.
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PostAuthor: Kamilka » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:35 pm

Rama Xweda leben ...
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In the Russian Newspapers ( http://kurdistan.ru/ ) was write that these deaths occurred in error ... So many young lives - by mistake (((((

quote from the site - "Perhaps the young Kurds mistaken for guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) and struck him on air strikes,

More: http://kurdistan.ru/2011/12/29/news-13705_V_rezultate_bombardi.html
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PostAuthor: Azamat » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:13 pm

RIP.
May the PKK retaliate with a thunderous attack.

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KRG concerned over Turkish bombardments

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:17 pm

29/12/2011 15:26

Erbil, Dec. 29 (AKnews) – Kurdistan Regional Government voiced concern on Thursday over Turkish warplanes bombing Kurdish villagers working as smugglers last night that reportedly left up to 35 dead.

Turkish jets last night bombed a village, Ortasu, in the Kurdish populated province of Sirnak, 1,174 km south east of Ankara, killing nearly 35 people 13 of whom are aged from 12 to 18.

The Turkish military said it had launched the strike after unmanned drones spotted suspected rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the PKK, and that there were no civilians in the area. They said they were investigating the incident.

Fayaq Tofiq, undersecretary of the K.R.G. Interior Ministry told AKnews: “The K.R.G. is concerned with the Turkish bombing a village near the border of Kurdistan Region.”

“We as the Kurdish people and the Kurdistan Regional Government are concerned about the bombings that have killed civilian people in the area”

Following the attack, Turkey’s largest Kurdish political party, the Peace and Democracy Party, the B.D.P., announced a three-days of mourning today.

B.D.P. leader Salahattin Demirtas has described the incident as a “massacre” against the Kurds by the Turkish state. “They will try to cover it up, but we will not allow them to cover it up," he was quoted by the Turkish media.

The B.D.P. has reportedly said it would hold demonstrations in Istanbul and elsewhere to protest the deaths.

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Re: Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:33 pm

I don't see what the problem is, why don't KRG and Peshmerga get involved directly.
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PostAuthor: thearabchildren » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:13 pm

The AKP is on TV now defending this. The record will show that I have no problem with restructuring Turkey to accomodate the Kurds, so my opposition to the AKP has always been because I don't believe they are really going to help anyone (Kurd, Turk, Armenian, Muslim, Christian or Jew). Most people here disagree with me on something, but most agree with me on this. But the few of you who think the AKP has any interest in helping Kurds and are just held back by the army, bear witness to their deep love of militarism (they have taken over the army anyway).

I reiterate again, I am probably the least pro-PKK person here, but this has nothing to do with supporting the Kemalist filth. Kerdoğan can go to mosque and Kılıçdaroğlu can say he's a Kurd, but they're all the same to me. Bourgeois democracy is a lie. The great tragedy is that the Cold War ended, and now the Kurds are up against these fascists alone. There was a time when Turk and Kurd (in large numbers) were united in a desire to overthrow the government. Remember the TKP-ML! Look at their list of martyrs: Disproportionately from the North! Black Sea lads and good Anatolians! Those were the days! And now what? Now who will save us from these faceless fascists!?
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Re: Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:16 pm

thearabchildren wrote:The AKP is on TV now defending this. The record will show that I have no problem with restructuring Turkey to accomodate the Kurds, so my opposition to the AKP has always been because I don't believe they are really going to help anyone (Kurd, Turk, Armenian, Muslim, Christian or Jew). Most people here disagree with me on something, but most agree with me on this. But the few of you who think the AKP has any interest in helping Kurds and are just held back by the army, bear witness to their deep love of militarism (they have taken over the army anyway).

I reiterate again, I am probably the least pro-PKK person here, but this has nothing to do with supporting the Kemalist filth. Kerdoğan can go to mosque and Kılıçdaroğlu can say he's a Kurd, but they're all the same to me. Bourgeois democracy is a lie. The great tragedy is that the Cold War ended, and now the Kurds are up against these fascists alone. There was a time when Turk and Kurd (in large numbers) were united in a desire to overthrow the government. Remember the TKP-ML! Look at their list of martyrs: Disproportionately from the North! Black Sea lads and good Anatolians! Those were the days! And now what? Now who will save us from these faceless fascists!?

Fight fire with fire, they become militaristic, so do we. I really do think Peshmerga should retaliate.
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PostAuthor: Zert » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:21 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Fight fire with fire, they become militaristic, so do we. I really do think Peshmerga should retaliate.


How? What should the Peshmerga attack?
The Peshmerga can't really do a thing in this case.
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PostAuthor: thearabchildren » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:34 pm

It is just so sad for a washed-up pinko like me. Poor people are being killed for trying to feed their families, and other poor people don't care. Once they did. Once it wasn't so racialised, and people with "Turkish blood" fought bravely against the enemies of the Kurds. The Turkish unions in Germany fought against MHP thugs, regardless of how many of those workers were Kurds or not. And now what? It's not just the anti-Kurdish sentiment, you know, it's the apathy. There are Turks who recognise the government is wrong, but the only people you see at protests against the treatment of Kurds by the government (exception will be made to some youth, such as in Xopa, but their numbers are not enough to change my pessimism as yet) are Kurds. And where does this leave us for armed conflict? These are the questions we shouldn't have to ask ourselves. I am so angry that we have become so narcissistic that the only way to fight injustice against a group is to be from that group. Fuck humanity.

But I won't let this end narcissistically by lamenting how my ideals aren't realised. This was murder, AKP, and your response was pathetic. It is a crime after a long list of crimes by you and your predecessors. This is not the end of the blood on your hands. Tragically, more people will die because of this, and a day will come when you won't be able to point fingers any more, and you will be held accountable.
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Re: Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:59 pm

Zert wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Fight fire with fire, they become militaristic, so do we. I really do think Peshmerga should retaliate.


How? What should the Peshmerga attack?
The Peshmerga can't really do a thing in this case.

Hmm let me think, Turkish military bases in occupied northern Kurdistan. Can't really do anything? What are you calling our sacred army weak and incapable? Peshmerga is 300,000 and 10x that number in spirit. I don't see why we Kurds are so scared of Turkish army? They have guns, we have guns, they may have planes, but lets face it we have mountains. The Turkish army has been struggling to destroy the PKK.
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Re: Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds .

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:06 pm

thearabchildren wrote:It is just so sad for a washed-up pinko like me. Poor people are being killed for trying to feed their families, and other poor people don't care. Once they did. Once it wasn't so racialised, and people with "Turkish blood" fought bravely against the enemies of the Kurds. The Turkish unions in Germany fought against MHP thugs, regardless of how many of those workers were Kurds or not. And now what? It's not just the anti-Kurdish sentiment, you know, it's the apathy. There are Turks who recognise the government is wrong, but the only people you see at protests against the treatment of Kurds by the government (exception will be made to some youth, such as in Xopa, but their numbers are not enough to change my pessimism as yet) are Kurds. And where does this leave us for armed conflict? These are the questions we shouldn't have to ask ourselves. I am so angry that we have become so narcissistic that the only way to fight injustice against a group is to be from that group. Fuck humanity.

But I won't let this end narcissistically by lamenting how my ideals aren't realised. This was murder, AKP, and your response was pathetic. It is a crime after a long list of crimes by you and your predecessors. This is not the end of the blood on your hands. Tragically, more people will die because of this, and a day will come when you won't be able to point fingers any more, and you will be held accountable.

What Turkish union? Name me one Turk that gave a shit about us Kurds? Were on our own. Why do we Kurds feel that armed conflict is wrong? People die everyday, some people die on the way to work.
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