a very controversial question

[thesunchild]

First of all it's not my purpose to divide Kurds and other Kurds must be very careful with what they're saying. And I'm not a racist!

Where do you folks think that the purest and the most unmixed Kurds live?

According to me the purest Kurds (with not so much of Semitic & Turkic DNA) do live in Eastern Iran and around the area between Turkey, Iraq and Iran. And the Yezidis from USSR. I don't know about the Yezidis from Lalish.

I do know some Kurds from Southern Kurdistan who have Arab (Turkmen) 'relatives'. Everybody in the world is mixed and I do understand that mixing is human and it’s sometimes even healthy and necessary but some Southern Kurds are going too far! But I'm not saying that they're 'less' Kurdish than other Kurds.

Northern Kurds in Turkish cities are also mixing to much with Turkic people. What's wrong with them?

I don't try to insult Southern Kurds, because according to me they’re also the most nationalistic and the strongest of all Kurds.

Or am I wrong?


Btw, according to me you're a Kurd if your father is Kurd. But who am I?

[talsor]

When you say "According to me the purest Kurds " , what does your openion based on ?
Do you check the bottom of their feet ? and what the hell is pure kurd anyway ?

[ideas]

Southern Kurds may have mixed the most, however we have always been the biggest advocates of Kurdish nationalism, for example i'm 50% Kurdish, 25% Jewish and 25% Assyrian, but I'm a nationalist Kurd and don't care about the other parts of my roots (other than them having equal rights), I don't understand why we Southern Kurds are being accused of mixing too much because as far as I'm aware there are many Kurdish-Turkish families in Turkey, the same goes for eastern Kurdistan, many Kurds married to Azeris.

Don't forget that nearly 30% of the Southern Kurdish population was Jewish! only a small percentage of them left to Israel, the rest with time converted to Islam and mixed in with the other Kurdish population (i.e. my grandfather!) and believe me, my grandfather although Jewish was a very nationalist Kurd, he had many sons on purpose and made them all peshmergas.

[jjmuneer]

Southern Kurds may have mixed the most, however we have always been the biggest advocates of Kurdish nationalism, for example i'm 50% Kurdish, 25% Jewish and 25% Assyrian, but I'm a nationalist Kurd and don't care about the other parts of my roots (other than them having equal rights), I don't understand why we Southern Kurds are being accused of mixing too much because as far as I'm aware there are many Kurdish-Turkish families in Turkey, the same goes for eastern Kurdistan, many Kurds married to Azeris.

Don't forget that nearly 30% of the Southern Kurdish population was Jewish! only a small percentage of them left to Israel, the rest with time converted to Islam and mixed in with the other Kurdish population (i.e. my grandfather!) and believe me, my grandfather although Jewish was a very nationalist Kurd, he had many sons on purpose and made them all peshmergas.

What do you mean by mixed? How do you know? And what defines un-mixed?

[jjmuneer]

First of all it's not my purpose to divide Kurds and other Kurds must be very careful with what they're saying. And I'm not a racist!

Where do you folks think that the purest and the most unmixed Kurds live?

According to me the purest Kurds (with not so much of Semitic & Turkic DNA) do live in Eastern Iran and around the area between Turkey, Iraq and Iran. And the Yezidis from USSR. I don't know about the Yezidis from Lalish.

I do know some Kurds from Southern Kurdistan who have Arab (Turkmen) 'relatives'. Everybody in the world is mixed and I do understand that mixing is human and it’s sometimes even healthy and necessary but some Southern Kurds are going too far! But I'm not saying that they're 'less' Kurdish than other Kurds.

Northern Kurds in Turkish cities are also mixing to much with Turkic people. What's wrong with them?

I don't try to insult Southern Kurds, because according to me they’re also the most nationalistic and the strongest of all Kurds.

Or am I wrong?


Btw, according to me you're a Kurd if your father is Kurd. But who am I?

Where did you base all your information from? Any sources?

[ideas]

Southern Kurds may have mixed the most, however we have always been the biggest advocates of Kurdish nationalism, for example i'm 50% Kurdish, 25% Jewish and 25% Assyrian, but I'm a nationalist Kurd and don't care about the other parts of my roots (other than them having equal rights), I don't understand why we Southern Kurds are being accused of mixing too much because as far as I'm aware there are many Kurdish-Turkish families in Turkey, the same goes for eastern Kurdistan, many Kurds married to Azeris.

Don't forget that nearly 30% of the Southern Kurdish population was Jewish! only a small percentage of them left to Israel, the rest with time converted to Islam and mixed in with the other Kurdish population (i.e. my grandfather!) and believe me, my grandfather although Jewish was a very nationalist Kurd, he had many sons on purpose and made them all peshmergas.

What do you mean by mixed? How do you know? And what defines un-mixed?

Without DNA tests we can only make statements based on individual circumstances and knowledge (i.e. I would be defined as 'mixed' and someone that isn't like me is not defined as mixed)

[jjmuneer]

Southern Kurds may have mixed the most, however we have always been the biggest advocates of Kurdish nationalism, for example i'm 50% Kurdish, 25% Jewish and 25% Assyrian, but I'm a nationalist Kurd and don't care about the other parts of my roots (other than them having equal rights), I don't understand why we Southern Kurds are being accused of mixing too much because as far as I'm aware there are many Kurdish-Turkish families in Turkey, the same goes for eastern Kurdistan, many Kurds married to Azeris.

Don't forget that nearly 30% of the Southern Kurdish population was Jewish! only a small percentage of them left to Israel, the rest with time converted to Islam and mixed in with the other Kurdish population (i.e. my grandfather!) and believe me, my grandfather although Jewish was a very nationalist Kurd, he had many sons on purpose and made them all peshmergas.

What do you mean by mixed? How do you know? And what defines un-mixed?

Without DNA tests we can only make statements based on individual circumstances and knowledge (i.e. I would be defined as 'mixed' and someone that isn't like me is not defined as mixed)

Do you mean haplogroups?

[Kurdistano]

Southern Kurds may have mixed the most, however we have always been the biggest advocates of Kurdish nationalism, for example i'm 50% Kurdish, 25% Jewish and 25% Assyrian, but I'm a nationalist Kurd and don't care about the other parts of my roots (other than them having equal rights), I don't understand why we Southern Kurds are being accused of mixing too much because as far as I'm aware there are many Kurdish-Turkish families in Turkey, the same goes for eastern Kurdistan, many Kurds married to Azeris.

Don't forget that nearly 30% of the Southern Kurdish population was Jewish! only a small percentage of them left to Israel, the rest with time converted to Islam and mixed in with the other Kurdish population (i.e. my grandfather!) and believe me, my grandfather although Jewish was a very nationalist Kurd, he had many sons on purpose and made them all peshmergas.

Kurds living in North Kurdistan are hardly mixed with Turks. Only those living in Turkish diaspora are. Azeris in East Kurdistan are and were well known as friends of Kurds. Only in recent time some Grey wolve influenced Azeris start to be stupid. But SouthKurdistan is different and I somehow understand thesunchilds point even though I dont agree with him mostly. Southern Kurdistan was most of its history in war with Saddam and his Arabs. Kurds in South Kurdistan were culturally hardly influenced by them and were also more "isolated " as the rest of Kurdistan were the borders are more fluent. So its somehow weird in my eyes to find "Kurdish-Arab families which connection comes from a time were their was a war and massacre on Kurds. It seems to me like as if they had intermarriages with war enemies.
Of course it is a different story with Kurds from Baghdad and more historically mixed areas. Its not unusual to have some intermarriages in such areas. But it is indeed weird to find such marriages in areas like Suleymaniah, Duhok or Zaxo (if their are some). The same is the case in North Kurdistan. In areas like Sirnak, Diyarbakir or Hakkari there are hardly intermarriages like this. But in areas like Meleti, Maras or Antep its different cause these areas are known to be more mixed populated.

[jjmuneer]

Haplogroups are just markers, plus you can't really say R1a1,R1b are Kurdish and J2 or J1c3 aren't. I'm personally J1c3, so yes I'm mixed, byt I don't look it. What I'm trying to say is its stupid basing nationalism on genetics, even racialists know not to do this, becuase its flawed.

[Kurdistano]

Southern Kurds may have mixed the most, however we have always been the biggest advocates of Kurdish nationalism, for example i'm 50% Kurdish, 25% Jewish and 25% Assyrian, but I'm a nationalist Kurd and don't care about the other parts of my roots (other than them having equal rights), I don't understand why we Southern Kurds are being accused of mixing too much because as far as I'm aware there are many Kurdish-Turkish families in Turkey, the same goes for eastern Kurdistan, many Kurds married to Azeris.

Don't forget that nearly 30% of the Southern Kurdish population was Jewish! only a small percentage of them left to Israel, the rest with time converted to Islam and mixed in with the other Kurdish population (i.e. my grandfather!) and believe me, my grandfather although Jewish was a very nationalist Kurd, he had many sons on purpose and made them all peshmergas.

What do you mean by mixed? How do you know? And what defines un-mixed?

Without DNA tests we can only make statements based on individual circumstances and knowledge (i.e. I would be defined as 'mixed' and someone that isn't like me is not defined as mixed)

Well genetically there is nothing like "mixed and less mixed" cause no one can tell how the original genetic make up was. But we can tell, that their is a norm and individuals who are too far from this are mixed.

[Kurdistano]

Haplogroups are just markers, plus you can't really say R1a1,R1b are Kurdish and J2 or J1c3 aren't. I'm personally J1c3, so yes I'm mixed, byt I don't look it. What I'm trying to say is its stupid basing nationalism on genetics, even racialists know not to do this, becuase its flawed.

werent you J1*?

J1c3 also originated somewhere in Mesopotamia. Only if you are J1c3d. You are for sure of Semitic or Beduin origin.

[jjmuneer]

Haplogroups are just markers, plus you can't really say R1a1,R1b are Kurdish and J2 or J1c3 aren't. I'm personally J1c3, so yes I'm mixed, byt I don't look it. What I'm trying to say is its stupid basing nationalism on genetics, even racialists know not to do this, becuase its flawed.

werent you J1*?

J1c3 also originated somewhere in Mesopotamia. Only if you are J1c3d. You are for sure of Semitic or Beduin origin.

Yes, do I look semitic?
What haplogroup are you?

[Kurdistano]

Haplogroups are just markers, plus you can't really say R1a1,R1b are Kurdish and J2 or J1c3 aren't. I'm personally J1c3, so yes I'm mixed, byt I don't look it. What I'm trying to say is its stupid basing nationalism on genetics, even racialists know not to do this, becuase its flawed.

werent you J1*?

J1c3 also originated somewhere in Mesopotamia. Only if you are J1c3d. You are for sure of Semitic or Beduin origin.

Yes, do I look semitic?
What haplogroup are you?

What now.

Are you J1c3 or J1*. J1* has zero to do with semits and is strongest in some Caucasus areas. J1c3 is also not semitic, originated in Mesopotamia and also strong in Caucasus but is closer to semitic J1c3d than J1* though not semitic.

[jjmuneer]

My result said J1 from familytreeDNA, I got told it was the same has J1c3. You can search my result on AS forums. My family don't intermarry with Arabs, so I don't know. I still need to do 23andme for a more detailed result.
Can you answer my question aswell please.

[Kurdistano]

My result said J1 from familytreeDNA, I got told it was the same has J1c3. You can search my result on AS forums. My family don't intermarry with Arabs, so I don't know. I still need to do 23andme for a more detailed result.
Can you answer my question aswell please.

If your results were J1* on ftDNA who told you that It is the same as J1c3?