a very controversial question

[jjmuneer]

My result said J1 from familytreeDNA, I got told it was the same has J1c3. You can search my result on AS forums. My family don't intermarry with Arabs, so I don't know. I still need to do 23andme for a more detailed result.
Can you answer my question aswell please.

If your results were J1* on ftDNA who told you that It is the same as J1c3?

Turku or mjora I think, why?

[Kurdistano]

My result said J1 from familytreeDNA, I got told it was the same has J1c3. You can search my result on AS forums. My family don't intermarry with Arabs, so I don't know. I still need to do 23andme for a more detailed result.
Can you answer my question aswell please.

If your results were J1* on ftDNA who told you that It is the same as J1c3?

Turku or mjora I think, why?

Many user on such Forums are so full of shit. Not a single person with at least 10% of genetic knowledge would come to such conclusion like J1* and J1c3 or even less J1c3d being the same (of course thats why we use different Terminus for them). Either they were making fun of you or have no idea. Turku is known for such unscientific comments so I think she might be the person.

[jjmuneer]

Oh thanks for the info, I didn't know at the time. I thought J1 was semitic. My family are eastern Kurds, and plus familytreeDNA isn't a known DNA comapny. I'm getting 23andme kit soon.

[Kurdistano]

Oh thanks for the info, I didn't know at the time. I thought J1 was semitic. My family are eastern Kurds, and plus familytreeDNA isn't a known DNA comapny. I'm getting 23andme kit soon.

Who told you that crap? ftDNA is one of the biggest (maybe the biggest) company so far. If you have the money you can get much more informations from them. But if you take in account the value for money (most what you can get for less money) than 23andme is also one of the best companies.

[jjmuneer]

Oh thanks for the info, I didn't know at the time. I thought J1 was semitic. My family are eastern Kurds, and plus familytreeDNA isn't a known DNA comapny. I'm getting 23andme kit soon.

Who told you that crap? ftDNA is one of the biggest (maybe the biggest) company so far. If you have the money you can get much more informations from them. But if you take in account the value for money (most what you can get for less money) than 23andme is also one of the best companies.

Thanks will do.

[Kurdistano]

a good map to show the subclades and distribution of J1.



J1* ultimate origin is Kurdistan. J1* moved into Caucasus and Mesopotamia were it evolved to J1c3. From Mesopotamia it moved into the (south)western parts of the Arabic peninsula were it became J1c3d (Beduin-Arab marker) from there some of it spread into more Northern regions and Africa (probably the Islamic conquest).

[jjmuneer]

Thanks, so do I have ancestry in Northern Kurdistan and Cucausus? I remember before you classified me as maybe having ancestry in caucasus.

[Kurdistano]

Thanks, so do I have ancestry in Northern Kurdistan and Cucausus? I remember before you classified me as maybe having ancestry in caucasus.

If you are J1, J1b or J1a than you ultimate origin can only be Kurdistan or Caucasus (you also look more Caucasian) but if your Haplogroup is J1c3 your origin might be Mesopotamian.

[jjmuneer]

Thanks, so do I have ancestry in Northern Kurdistan and Cucausus? I remember before you classified me as maybe having ancestry in caucasus.

If you are J1, J1b or J1a than you ultimate origin can only be Kurdistan or Caucasus (you also look more Caucasian) but if your Haplogroup is J1c3 your origin might be Mesopotamian.

Here is my results http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/to ... 151/1/#new just J1

[Zhala]

Woooooow! This is fascinating. I never knew you could *actually* take a test for your genetic ancestry. How cool.

My parent's are both Kurds and in fact they are distantly related. My Dad can trace back his ancestry very far back (one of his ancestors even has a little spring or kany named after him) and my Mum can do pretty well too.

On a lighter note we have a running family joke, my Dad and his family all have really tiny eyes (seriously my cousin looks practically Japanese) and my Mum and her family have green and blue eyes. We say my Dad's ancestors must have come from Gengis Khan and Mum's from Alexander the Great!

Who and where do the purest Kurds come from? Anywhere you can find a Kurd with a pure heart of course

[talsor]

forgive my ignorance here , but if you can trace your background for 10-15 generations what do you need the DNA test for ? secondly being a Kurdistani is much more important that being a Kurd . What good is a gene anyway and how does it make anyone better than anyone else .

[jjmuneer]

forgive my ignorance here , but if you can trace your background for 10-15 generations what do you need the DNA test for ? secondly being a Kurdistani is much more important that being a Kurd . What good is a gene anyway and how does it make anyone better than anyone else .

Nothing and your right, I just did it out of curiosity and interest.

[jjmuneer]

forgive my ignorance here , but if you can trace your background for 10-15 generations what do you need the DNA test for ? secondly being a Kurdistani is much more important that being a Kurd . What good is a gene anyway and how does it make anyone better than anyone else .

And I just wanted to trace my ancestry further back.

[talsor]

forgive my ignorance here , but if you can trace your background for 10-15 generations what do you need the DNA test for ? secondly being a Kurdistani is much more important that being a Kurd . What good is a gene anyway and how does it make anyone better than anyone else .

And I just wanted to trace my ancestry further back.

Nothing wrong with that heval and I was not referring to you at all . My point is we should not focus on the issue of being a Kurd based on genetic mumbo jumbo . A Kurd from Lebanon or Russia is as pure as a kurd from Amed or Hewler or Sene and Must be treated as such .

[thesunchild]

When you say "According to me the purest Kurds " , what does your openion based on ?
Do you check the bottom of their feet ? and what the hell is pure kurd anyway ?

You have a very good point.

But I do speak from my own observation and experience with other Kurds.

Genetically speaking all Kurds from all parts are very close to each other. So close that we can speak about 1 Kurdish race. So there're no big differences between Kurds.

But I still don't understand the openmindest about mixing of some Southern Kurds. I know few people from Suli that don't mind to mix with Arabs.
I do even know a great very patriotic Kurdish fella (with very light features) from Kirkuk who is married with a Turkmen woman. I don't understand this!

Such folks don't mind to mix with Arabs or Turkmen . But they and their children are very patriotic and true Kurds. So I'm not complaining, just wondering!