Murat Karayılan's words to Kemal Burkay

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kurdistan and barzani and talabanis pesmergas were on turkish army side and they killed together kurdish freedom fioghters in 1990ers

Correct your historical knowledge :

During the civil war, Barzani was supported by Turkey, and against him, Talabani and PKK were supported by Iran. (and in 1991, PKK allied with Saddam).

Moreover, 'PKK freedom fighters' have more Kurdish blood on its hands than Turkish soldiers's. They are a fanatical movement, exactly like Islamists, but their God is Apo.

Btw, the main targets of Öcalan's speeches were and are ALWAYS other Kurdish leaders or politicians : Barzani, Talabani, Burkay, former PKK members, etc. He never cared of Kurdistan, only 'APOISTAN' was in his mind. If a free Kurdistan raises, he will be strongly against that, mad of jealousy.

[KurdishSoccer92]

kurdistan and barzani and talabanis pesmergas were on turkish army side and they killed together kurdish freedom fioghters in 1990ers

Correct your historical knowledge :

During the civil war, Barzani was supported by Turkey, and against him, Talabani and PKK were supported by Iran. (and in 1991, PKK allied with Saddam).

Moreover, 'PKK freedom fighters' have more Kurdish blood on its hands than Turkish soldiers's. They are a fanatical movement, exactly like Islamists, but their God is Apo.

Btw, the main targets of Öcalan's speeches were and are ALWAYS other Kurdish leaders or politicians : Barzani, Talabani, Burkay, former PKK members, etc. He never cared of Kurdistan, only 'APOISTAN' was in his mind. If a free Kurdistan raises, he will be strongly against that, mad of jealousy.

EDITED by talsor:
Clean up your language and try to have a discusion in a civlized way . Consider this a Warnning .

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Be careful of apo-plexy, take a breath or we are going to lost a great Kurdish politician and rhetorician : too bad for the cause

[KurdishSoccer92]

Be careful of apo-plexy, take a breath or we are going to lost a great Kurdish politician and rhetorician : too bad for the cause

GO TO HELL YOU DOG OF TURKEY AND FU'K YOUR CHEAP LIES !

[Kurdistano]

kurdistan and barzani and talabanis pesmergas were on turkish army side and they killed together kurdish freedom fioghters in 1990ers

Correct your historical knowledge :

During the civil war, Barzani was supported by Turkey, and against him, Talabani and PKK were supported by Iran. (and in 1991, PKK allied with Saddam).

Moreover, 'PKK freedom fighters' have more Kurdish blood on its hands than Turkish soldiers's. They are a fanatical movement, exactly like Islamists, but their God is Apo.

Btw, the main targets of Öcalan's speeches were and are ALWAYS other Kurdish leaders or politicians : Barzani, Talabani, Burkay, former PKK members, etc. He never cared of Kurdistan, only 'APOISTAN' was in his mind. If a free Kurdistan raises, he will be strongly against that, mad of jealousy.

I was never really convinced about APO, actually many Kurds in North still arent, they followed him actually just because there was no alternative. I wished we had another leader. There is a time for a new
Kurdish movement in North.

Dont take me wrong I know what he has done for Kurds yet he was too selfish.

[KurdishSoccer92]

LOL CRITIZE BARZANI OR TALABANI ! ONLY APO APO APO ! YOU ARE MORE WORSE THN TURKISH MONGOLS !

AND BIJI SEROK APO! TRUE SEROK AND LOVED IN ALL PARTS OF KURDISTAN!

[talsor]

LOL CRITIZE BARZANI OR TALABANI ! ONLY APO APO APO ! YOU ARE MORE WORSE THN TURKISH MONGOLS !

AND BIJI SEROK APO! TRUE SEROK AND LOVED IN ALL PARTS OF KURDISTAN!

The worst kind of problems are the one that makes you laugh .

[Kurdistano]

LOL CRITIZE BARZANI OR TALABANI ! ONLY APO APO APO ! YOU ARE MORE WORSE THN TURKISH MONGOLS !

AND BIJI SEROK APO! TRUE SEROK AND LOVED IN ALL PARTS OF KURDISTAN!

Actually we have criticized both, Barzani and Talabani so far yet no word about APO and I think its time to talk about his bad sides too.

[talsor]

LOL CRITIZE BARZANI OR TALABANI ! ONLY APO APO APO ! YOU ARE MORE WORSE THN TURKISH MONGOLS !

AND BIJI SEROK APO! TRUE SEROK AND LOVED IN ALL PARTS OF KURDISTAN!

Actually we have criticized both, Barzani and Talabani so far yet no word about APO and I think its time to talk about his bad sides too.

talking about APO is not allowed and totally forbiden . It is like criticizing Hz,Ali , hasan and hussien infront of a shia or crisizing mohammed infront of a sunni .

did you know that thousand of his hard core supported make a yearly pilgrimage to his home town ? . I'm not kidding .

[kurd-sthanam]

In the start of PKK, only the state sad "apocu/apocî"(apoist), all the founding members of PKK sad it is the state who call us "apocu", we are not apoists we are PKK members and PKK is our party. they sad PKK is also PKK without öcalan, and kurdish freedom fight will also continue without öcalan. there are clearly proofs. years later, allmost all PKK founding members were killed by the state or inside the PKK self, the only remaining was APO and apoism was know not a state propaganda against PKK but official term of PKK. even his wife fleed from him and sad that he was sick. turkish is allmost the official language of PKK and all leaders have a very poor kurdish, they talk even turkish in their wireless.

[Kawe]

kurdistan and barzani and talabanis pesmergas were on turkish army side and they killed together kurdish freedom fioghters in 1990ers

Correct your historical knowledge :

During the civil war, Barzani was supported by Turkey, and against him, Talabani and PKK were supported by Iran. (and in 1991, PKK allied with Saddam).

Moreover, 'PKK freedom fighters' have more Kurdish blood on its hands than Turkish soldiers's. They are a fanatical movement, exactly like Islamists, but their God is Apo.

Btw, the main targets of Öcalan's speeches were and are ALWAYS other Kurdish leaders or politicians : Barzani, Talabani, Burkay, former PKK members, etc. He never cared of Kurdistan, only 'APOISTAN' was in his mind. If a free Kurdistan raises, he will be strongly against that, mad of jealousy.

Before you insult a particular Kurdish leader, take into account the flaws of all the other Kurdish leaders. No one is perfect. I also highly doubt you have ever traveled to Northern Kurdistan and seen the truth for yourself, which is why I do not believe you are in any position to be judging the PKK.

Also, I am not entirely sure of what you meant by "'PKK freedom fighters' have more Kurdish blood on its hands than Turkish soldiers's." Whether you are implying that the PKK have killed more Kurds than they have Turkish soldiers, or that the PKK have killed more Kurds than the Turkish soldiers have killed. Either way, both statements are not true.

Do not insult people that have dedicated their entire lives to bringing peace for Kurds(by making false claims), that is almost sickening to me. In fact I don't think that any one would mind if you or any one else criticized a Kurdish party, as long as what you say is actual truth.

Oh and side note: I do not support any Kurdish political party in particular, I simply support all people that work to help Kurds attain their rights. I also do believe the PKK has flaws, but I also do believe in respect. We must criticize every Kurdish political party for flaws that are actually existent, but not what you have done here (making false statements). Once we start making false claims, then what we are really doing is disrespecting. And on a final note, I would most definitely criticize the PKK for killing certain Kurds that were deemed Jash for working for the Turkish government (because it is true). Don't take this the wrong way, I like to state my opinion every now and then

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I also highly doubt you have ever traveled to Northern Kurdistan and seen the truth for yourself, which is why I do not believe you are in any position to be judging the PKK.

From 1992 until 2002 (after 2001, 2002 things began to improve if we compare with dirty war years) i went in Northern Kurdistan more than every year, sometimes 4 times / years, and sometimes for long staying). I met fine people in HADEP, TOHAV, TUAD, GÖÇ DER, and in all Kurdistan, ordinary people. I met narrow minded brains, also, and all the person you can meet in a totalitarian party : liers, spies, fanatics, etc.

They were not all for the PKK (especially in Dersim and especially after Öcalan's betrayal in 1999); but of course they were oppressed and murdered by Turkish Forces. By the PKK also. This party is deeply intolerant, anti democratic and like to threaten and to impose its rule by blood and violence (in its first decade of existence, they were very busy to eliminate other Kurdish parties in Turkey, more than fighting State).

So I mean that if you are a "PKK fighter" you could have more Kurdish blood on your hands than Turkish blood : Political opponents, people to racket, peasants to terrify, former PKK members who are suddenly 'out of the line', people who have a love affair (PKK practiced honour crimes also in a certain way), guardians of village (not all of them were fascists, just oppressed villagers also), etc. It is the same thing in Syria, PYD is regularly accused by other parties of murdering, threatening, and perhaps killing of Kurds (by the WAY, they support Bashar Al Asad, that's a so clever policy !).

What Turks did is criminal but after all, they are the ennemies. What did PKK is more criminal, because they never kill, threaten and terrify Turkish population like they did to their own brothers.

In fact, Kemalists and Apocî are twins : the same idolatry for the Great Leader, the same cult of Şehid/Şehit, especially if their death is useless; Kemalist adore the State and its ideology more than Turkey (the real country) and don't hesitate to sacrify their people for it ; for the PKK, Party is more important than Kurdistan, and if "Öcalan is in prison, all Kurds are also" etc.

In Norther Kurdistan, people are trapped between Atatürk and Atakürt fanatics.

[ideas]

Did you know that the PKK parties in Syria did not attend the conference in Hawler? what is the meaning of this? clearly the KRG has more influence and support around the world, and if the syrian opposition is going to take any Kurdish party seriously, it'd be the parties in the South as they actually yield some power! Some people are pathetic, if I criticize Apo, it does not automatically make me a Barzani or Talabani lover.. that is the difference between me and you, I'm a Kurdistan lover, end off, and I will criticize any leader when fitted, and in my opinion Barzani and Talabani are currently making the right decisions, sure they made MANY mistakes in the past, but they learned from it, they learned from the civil war in 1996 that hurt Kurdistan only, now, no matter how hard foreign powers try to pin Kurds against each other, it has so far not worked.

As for Syria, why is the PKK not letting their puppet parties in Syria unite with the other parties? what will they gain from it? Bashar back stabbed them before and will not hesitate to do it again! Kurds in Syria need absolute unity in this critical stage, if they are not united they will achieve nothing.

Hawler stated that there will be a national conference today with parties from all over Kurdistan.

[jjmuneer]

I really don't understand why you are creating this division, which has only been created through the use of physical borders. This thread is showing how divided we are, so much for political differences aside. I personally am not a Barzani fan, but I don't complain and curse 24/7 at him. I really don't see who currently is better than Barzani.

[unitedkurdistan]

Correct your historical knowledge :

During the civil war, Barzani was supported by Turkey, and against him, Talabani and PKK were supported by Iran. (and in 1991, PKK allied with Saddam).

Moreover, 'PKK freedom fighters' have more Kurdish blood on its hands than Turkish soldiers's. They are a fanatical movement, exactly like Islamists, but their God is Apo.

Btw, the main targets of Öcalan's speeches were and are ALWAYS other Kurdish leaders or politicians : Barzani, Talabani, Burkay, former PKK members, etc. He never cared of Kurdistan, only 'APOISTAN' was in his mind. If a free Kurdistan raises, he will be strongly against that, mad of jealousy.[/quote]


It's true, Barzani was supported by turkey and he still is. Peshmergas have attacked PKK many times by the way. I know some of these peshmergas who did get ordered to fight PKK. How could iran be supporting PKK, at what time did this happen? PJAK¨.