Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

[Kawe]

ask the sorani speakers here, they say sorani is hewrami with kurmanji influence.

strange, never heard this, but always i hear sorani i thought the same, maybe its true

is this hewrami? i love it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eh_HwDDyQY

That's Leki Kurdish

jjmuneer can you understand Leki (curious to know if Leki is similar to Feyli)? I can understand a good portion of that song

[jjmuneer]

ask the sorani speakers here, they say sorani is hewrami with kurmanji influence.

strange, never heard this, but always i hear sorani i thought the same, maybe its true

is this hewrami? i love it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eh_HwDDyQY

That's Leki Kurdish

jjmuneer can you understand Leki (curious to know if Leki is similar to Feyli)? I can understand a good portion of that song

You do realise Laki is a Fayli langauge? So yes I do.

[jjmuneer]

Bro why would they lie? I mean what is Feyli then lol? Gorani is also a southern dialect. Though I don't have any other source, I don't know why they don't explain the Feyli language more. Bro I didn't say we speak it, I said we speak Feyli which is also under the Hewrami catogery, look check it for yourself man. I don't know why you want our languages to be so distant, when they are very close.

bremin i just say facts ofcourse south dialects had influence on each other. like north dialects had influence on each other. like zazakî and kurmancî are very close in gramatic and share much vocabulary wich doesnt exist in south kurdish and central kurdish. but still kurmanci is closer to sorani, even if the kurmanci gramar is closer to zazaki.

Prof. Jamal Nabaz say: North Kurmancî - Central Kurmancî (soranî) - South kurmancî (lek, kelhor, feyli) - Goranî/Zazakî
Prof. Amir Hassanpour: Kurmancî - Soranî - Hewramî - Kirmashanî
Abdul Rahman Zabihi (1920-1980): North - Central - South - Dimilkî/hewramî

source: kurdish academy of language (website)

So gorani-zazaki is in its own category?

[hevalo27]

seemingly, they say it really

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/41
that means kurdish has 5 branches, divided in two big categories.
1. south, central and north kurmanci ; 2. hawrami and kirmancki
i had postet it bevor, this was classified by mehrdad izady and its roughly right



can someone give an example for hawrami?
a song or something

[Johny English]

We need a super language which is a mix between Kurmanji, Sorani, Kalhuri, Laki, Zazaki, Hawrami and Luri. Yes, we can!

[jjmuneer]

We need a super language which is a mix between Kurmanji, Sorani, Kalhuri, Laki, Zazaki, Hawrami and Luri. Yes, we can!

And Fayli

[jjmuneer]

seemingly, they say it really

http://www.kurdishacademy.org/?q=node/41
that means kurdish has 5 branches, divided in two big categories.
1. south, central and north kurmanci ; 2. hawrami and kirmancki
i had postet it bevor, this was classified by mehrdad izady and its roughly right



can someone give an example for hawrami?
a song or something

I already said Fayli is part of the Gorani language, but Kurd-Snthanam said no it isn't lol. I wonder why Khalori is not classed as a Pahliwani language though, since they are part of the Kurdish fayli tribes.

[hevalo27]

We need a super language which is a mix between Kurmanji, Sorani, Kalhuri, Laki, Zazaki, Hawrami and Luri. Yes, we can!

im not sure about that, that would mean the most dialect would change automatically and defaced

I already said Fayli is part of the Gorani language, but Kurd-Snthanam said no it isn't lol. I wonder why Khalori is not classed as a Pahliwani language though, since they are part of the Kurdish fayli tribes.

dont know, it could be that kalhuri is between kurmanci and feyli, so not unlike or maybe because kalhuri is technically a kurmanci dialect with strong feyli influence.

[jjmuneer]

We need a super language which is a mix between Kurmanji, Sorani, Kalhuri, Laki, Zazaki, Hawrami and Luri. Yes, we can!

im not sure about that, that would mean the most dialect would change automatically and defaced

I already said Fayli is part of the Gorani language, but Kurd-Snthanam said no it isn't lol. I wonder why Khalori is not classed as a Pahliwani language though, since they are part of the Kurdish fayli tribes.

dont know, it could be that kalhuri is between kurmanci and feyli, so not unlike or maybe because kalhuri is technically a kurmanci dialect with strong feyli influence.

Yeh that could be the case, though I suppose tribal groups and linguistic groups don't necassorily work hand in hand.

Well the Kurdish government could adopt old Pehlawani language Gurani-Dimili, it would not please the Sorani speakers, but maybe something could be worked out. Along with a Latin script of course.

[jjmuneer]

Though I wonder also why its called Laki and not Pahli, I know technically its called Laki, but I would of thought they changed the sub-group's name.

[kurd-sthanam]

I already said Fayli is part of the Gorani language, but Kurd-Snthanam said no it isn't lol. I wonder why Khalori is not classed as a Pahliwani language though, since they are part of the Kurdish fayli tribes.

I know that mehrdad izady say this, but he is alone with saying this. allmost all kurdish and unkurdish historians and linguists agree that feyli, leki, kelhor is closer to kurmanci and sorani and not zazaki and hewrami.

[Johny English]

im not sure about that, that would mean the most dialect would change automatically and defaced

It's a process which we can't stop (because state building means that the other dialects/languages lose in value)

So it's better, that all languages in Kurdistan will united in one tongue, so they exist for the next centuries.

[jjmuneer]

I already said Fayli is part of the Gorani language, but Kurd-Snthanam said no it isn't lol. I wonder why Khalori is not classed as a Pahliwani language though, since they are part of the Kurdish fayli tribes.

I know that mehrdad izady say this, but he is alone with saying this. allmost all kurdish and unkurdish historians and linguists agree that feyli, leki, kelhor is closer to kurmanci and sorani and not zazaki and hewrami.

Where are these linguistics then? How can you doubt a proffessor man?
So where does Hewrami come from then if not Pahliwani language? Are you saying this isn't true? Do you know Laki to comment on this lol? Trust me I understand Hewrami and even Zazaki much better than Sorani. Just look at it from a geographic perspective, we are clsoer to Guran tribes and Hewrami speakers than Soranis. Not only that are you also say then Sanjabi tribe don't speak Gurani langauge? Because if you know history of the Fayli Kurds, you would we actualyl split off from that tribe.

[hevalo27]

the same linguist who say hawrami and kirmancki isn`t kurdish?
they can not even difference between kurmanci and kurdish,

but in real i think no one know everything about kurdish. its to complicate,they are too many dialect in a shaked dialect cluster, with hundreds of specie-mouths.
in roughly the graphik from izadie is ok, even if there are some mistakes.

[kurd-sthanam]

Where are these linguistics then? How can you doubt a proffessor man?
So where does Hewrami come from then if not Pahliwani language? Are you saying this isn't true? Do you know Laki to comment on this lol? Trust me I understand Hewrami and even Zazaki much better than Sorani. Just look at it from a geographic perspective, we are clsoer to Guran tribes and Hewrami speakers than Soranis. Not only that are you also say then Sanjabi tribe don't speak Gurani langauge? Because if you know history of the Fayli Kurds, you would we actualyl split off from that tribe.

lo bremin i have posted 3 proffesors for you is it not enought . Yes maybe feyli kurds are geneticaly relative to hewrami and zazaki, but your language is now much more kurmanci and sorani like.

Mehrdad izady dont come with the influence dialects do on each other.

what does this zazaki song say if you understand better than sorani: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMXsD0kBjp4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

(the first slow part is kurmanci)