kobani kurd: Kurds claim "Free Army" to go out of Hasaka

[Cewlik]

hahaha cewlik big villa? do you compare Oclan house with what kaka Masoud and Kaka Jalal owns in kurdistan and outside kurdistan? lol even the villa was not Oclan lol..

Like he had a choice, the question is what he would do if he would rule a state.

but you need to admit that with the top 10% rich people in cities there are 90% of poor or under poor line in villages and around cities!

Now show me the source with that 90%, if you dont have a source you are a lier who use propaganda tacitics.

[Bahoz]

LOL sounds like you don't want talk about important things and you take the conversation into wrong direction! .source is people! you can go and look your self! ... there is no propaganda! we know how things work in kurdistan..if you are PDK and PUK you get the cakes and all others get the garbage! this was and still is the the problem! comoen KRG admitted that several times and thats why they want to separate KRG work from influence of both PDK and PUK and thats what they were supposed to do after GORRAN entered the game also! ..

[Cewlik]

source is people!

I also would say that if I would lie. No sources but a big mouth.

http://www.kurdiu.org/en/hawal/index.php?pageid=110491

http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2010/1 ... -unabated/

I bet that you dream to destroy all that with adopting the failed KCK system for south Kurdistan.

But the name of this topic is "kobani kurd: Kurds claim "Free Army" to go out of Hasaka" we just come to this discussion, because you start with your party propaganda again, with insulting KDP, PUK and Barzani.

[Bahoz]

cewlik We need to open new topic and call it Corruption in South Kurdistan

[Kurdistano]

cewlik We need to open new topic and call it Corruption in South Kurdistan

Why corrruption in South Kurdistan? I have to agree with Cewlik on this point, you sound like the Middle East is known to be a model of democracy and are talking about some corruption problem inside South Kurdistans system. You sound like there is no corruption inside the PKK, if I would count you the dozen names which made themselves a good life with the money people spent for the PKK the whole Topic would be filled.

Its so stupid to start a discussion about this while there are more important things for now.

[Bahoz]

kurdistano, why it annoys you if we talk about corruption? kaka it is good to talk about big problems we have! and put PKK on the table also! I would love to! we talk about south kurdistan because it has government and budget and ministers and bla bla ....PKK is military movement! not government like KRG and they don't wear 10,000 suites like KRG ministers do they fight and has simple life! and of course there are many who benefited from PKK! and they became rich! but PKK leaders never allowed that when they had full control! but in south Kurdistan, the corruption is from toe to head kaka! what do you talk about! ..of course it can't be compared to Bagdhad or even syria ..south kurdistan is paradise comparing to Bagdhad.

again don't take this as attack on specific persons or parties!

[Kurdistano]

kurdistano, why it annoys you if we talk about corruption? kaka it is good to talk about big problems we have! and put PKK on the table also! I would love to! we talk about south kurdistan because it has government and budget and ministers and bla bla ....PKK is military movement! not government like KRG and they don't wear 10,000 suites like KRG ministers do they fight and has simple life! and of course there are many who benefited from PKK! and they became rich! but PKK leaders never allowed that when they had full control! but in south Kurdistan, the corruption is from toe to head kaka! what do you talk about! ..of course it can't be compared to Bagdhad or even syria ..south kurdistan is paradise comparing to Bagdhad.

again don't take this as attack on specific persons or parties!

As like the Barzanis and Talabanis did, wait when they get their government and see how single persons will try to benefit from it through corruption. Corruption exists everywhere, the question is, how of a big issue it becomes. Relatively to the rest of the Middle East, corruption in S. Kurdistan is not worth to mention for now. Its not like in Saudi Arabia where the whole country is run by one family or in Iran where one Mullah is the head of everything or Syria where there is no democratic elections or Iraq where there is not enough money for 5 hours electricity but dozen tanks and other military equipment.

[purearch72]

kurdistano, why it annoys you if we talk about corruption? kaka it is good to talk about big problems we have! and put PKK on the table also! I would love to! we talk about south kurdistan because it has government and budget and ministers and bla bla ....PKK is military movement! not government like KRG and they don't wear 10,000 suites like KRG ministers do they fight and has simple life! and of course there are many who benefited from PKK! and they became rich! but PKK leaders never allowed that when they had full control! but in south Kurdistan, the corruption is from toe to head kaka! what do you talk about! ..of course it can't be compared to Bagdhad or even syria ..south kurdistan is paradise comparing to Bagdhad.

again don't take this as attack on specific persons or parties!

There is corruption in almost every Kurdish party, but this is because we are from the middle east name a legitiment country who has never had corruption cases. As long as the KRG protects Kurds, incurages young generation to study, and is in the best interest of kurds than I don't really care if they take some of the cash. I agree there is corruption in S.Kurdistan, but comparred to other countries I say we are better off and if you think about it they are mostly taking Iraqi money once Kurdistan becomes independant and this continues then they will start to be accountable for this.

[Bahoz]

purearch, your wishes are wonderful! I wish like you! and I always say yes south kurdistan is paradise comparing to other area! but we can be better! i have nothing against KRG or PDK or PUK.. but some people here think through narrow parties eye and I look from above to all parties! so i can't shine some leaders or parties face to cover the dirt with powder! the dirt needs to be cleaned not covered with white powder.

all i say is there is corruption and wasta and dictatorship also in south kurdistan .. we are not democrate like west yet! we need to admit that fact in order to improve not to defend the corruption ..

there is big progress in south and hope it will be good example for other parts.

[Qonyeyi]

Bahoz haval, certain people on here are sheep people. Cewlik accepts corruption. you know why? Because in his hypothetic world, Ocalan would have done the same. HJAHAHAHAH. Seriously. And in my hypothetic world Hitler would have killed more Kurds than Turkey does, so Turkey's killing of Kurds is acceptable. Or what Cewlik?

[purearch72]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrS7ZNkkJ0Y&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Can you please tell me what these people are saying, haha why did he do that?

[Bahoz]

purearch, lol it is funny! i don't know turkish but it looks like the guy couldn't hear that kurdistan is reality so he jumped and didn't wana hear that lol

[Piling]

The first guy (right) says : 'I went everywhere, in bus, cities and in the street I saw Kurdish flags everywhere ! Everywhere ! Everywhere, I can testimony : Everywhere there were Kurdish flags !.
Then the second guy answered : :efendim… but we, Turks, have to accept that Kurdistan is nothing but a REALITY !'

Then the first guy collapsed and shout Allah as a sufi seeing His Lord.

After this idk what they say (I translate from German subtitles).

[Cewlik]

Bahoz haval, certain people on here are sheep people. Cewlik accepts corruption. you know why? Because in his hypothetic world, Ocalan would have done the same. HJAHAHAHAH. Seriously. And in my hypothetic world Hitler would have killed more Kurds than Turkey does, so Turkey's killing of Kurds is acceptable. Or what Cewlik?

Öcalan is a party dictator, nobody can criticize him, if anybody tried it they klled him. PKK have death penalty for marriage, criticism etc. If Öcalan would rule south Kurdistan, it would be a disaster in the economy, foreign policy, domestic policy etc.

I dont accept corruption, but I am against how this Apoci Bahoz tries to insult the KRG like a rat, in an hidden way. He talk like that the KRG is worse than Africa, just to make PKK propaganda. He even calls KRG dictatorship. Thats why i see Apocis as a danger for Kurdistan, they are against all Kurdish parties, they do like they are for unity and Kurdistan but they just work to make their party to the only one in Kurdistan.

But they will go under with Öcalan.

[Qonyeyi]

'HAAHAHAH thats freaking hilarius but fake.

The guy believes he is sent from God. And when the other guy doubts it, the guy tries to prove it.

HAHAHA but nice twist with the German subtitles