Turkish Planes Attack PKK in Northern Iraq

[Anthea]

Thank you for that link

So now the cease-fire is so obviously over perhaps we could get back to the original demands of the Kurds for an Independent, or at least an Autonomous Kurdish area in the East of Turkey

Let us forget Ocalan and his recent HUG-A-TURK letter, which so disgustingly ANTI-KURDISH that it NEVER should have even become public knowledge, because it is so shameful and disrespectful to all those brave Kurdish fighters who gave their lives fighting for FREEDOM

[Shirko]

Anthea, I get the impression that you do not want to see an end to the Kurdish conflict with Turkey. Sometimes I think that you are more anti Turk than anything else, why is that?

[burnsss]

Traitor öcalans fault, if he was real man he would defend himself when captured and die with honor. The terrorist [racist term] turks use him now like a puppet and pkk are stupid enough to take order from jail. There will be no peace kerdogan is buying time, the turks are brainwashed nazi worse than hitler. Dont trust one word they utter.

[Fire]

Anthea, I get the impression that you do not want to see an end to the Kurdish conflict with Turkey. Sometimes I think that you are more anti Turk than anything else, why is that?

So what, if she is anti turk, lol? Every human with a brain would be an anti turk. The things which these People did and still does to the Kurdish Nation and to others too are unforgivable. They are the most facist and disgusting People in Human history. This is a proven fact.
Especially if you consider the fact that they are proud of that what they did and that they even deny their crimes like the Armenian genocide.


Nobody has something against peace but it can't happen if only one side are ready for it whereas the others can't even accept you as a human beeing. If the PKK wouldn't exist, you would be still a Mountain Turk who gets killed and tortured for beeing a Kurd (if you say that you are a Kurd). This was their offical law, actually there is no doubt that this law is still executed in some Areas.

But the most funny Thing is. If someone attack a Turk in Europe or if Israel attacks the Palestinians, this miscarried Population are the first ones who complain about racism and accuse others of racism.

RACISM IS BANNED HERE.

[Shirko]

Fire, why do you question my identity? I think its rude of you, and I will then also question your true identity (maybe not a real Kurd). And if you enjoy being a little pawn to serve some agenda of others, then go ahead. If Anthea hates Turks so much, then maybe she should go and attack their forums. All this talk of hate all the time is not helpful to aynone, and especially when we (Kurds) are trying to build an international profile of a progressive open minded people, not a bunch backwards of hate mongers. I know that you and Anthea were the most vocal against the letter supposedly sent from Ocalan. Anyway, the US just signed an agreement with Turkey to use American drones against guess who? If you truly hate Turk and you want to defeat them, then you have to be smarter than them and not give them an excuse to attack, until you can defend yourself. This is exactly what the Kurds in NK are trying to do. Seems like you and Anthea want to see someone fight Turkey, but you guys dont want to do the fighting, you want the Kurds to do it for y

[Anthea]

Perhaps I know more about Kurdish history than many people on here except for Piling who knows almost everything there is to know where Kurds are concerned. But I admit that I am still learning. Everyone here know some of the more recent history and we learn by sharing. Everything that I have learnt about Turks shows them to be violent disrespectful not nice people

Throughout History Turks have ENJOYED hurting Kurds. The Dersim massacre is a prime example of that

The treatment and torture that Kurds have endured in the hands of Turks, the Turks have been laughing and joking while doing the torturing and other sick things such as forcing Kurds to eat human excrement

Turks have raped and tortured women prisoners

Turks disrespect of dead Kurds, including putting their bodies on rubbish dumps

The Turkish military and police have always JOYFULLY used extreme force while beating Kurds

Kurds within the Turkish military are treated as subhuman, insulted and made fun of

The village guard scheme whereby Kurds are forced to join for fear that there families will be tortured or murdered

Groups of Turks use any excuse they can find to attack Kurds

Most Turks will not employ Kurds

48% of Turks want to turn Kurds into soap

Turks believe that Kurds and violent savages who want to steal Turkish land

Turks want Kurds to be bombed out of existence

Do Kurds have a such a terrible history of atrocities and hatreds against Turks NO all Kurds have ever wanted was to be left alone to rule themselves on their traditional homelands. And with all the many other indigenous people being given land rights throughout the entire world I really and honestly believe that Kurds deserve to rule themselves

I REFUSE to take any part in Ocalan's HUG-A-TURK campaign

[Anthea]

I do not believe in fighting. I know that the PKK has a very large well organised network worldwide and I have stated many times that I feel Kurds should do much more to improve their image and market themselves

The PKK should have used their network to campaign against the wanton destruction of Hasankyf

Kurds are no good at marketing themselves. They have vast protest marches but almost nobody other than Kurds ever know anything about them

When Ocalan was arrested and we all dashed to London to protest we received very little publicity, there should have been support campaigns through England

There is not very much news about the Kurdish situation written in English

I am very interested in South Kurdistan and watch it's flourishing economy go from strength to strength

I do not believe that Ocalan has the right to destroy the Kurdish dream of a United Kurdistan

I believe in Ghandi and the power of non violent protests

[Shirko]

Anthea, historicaly Kurds and Turks were not always enemies (sorry to burst your Kurdish history bubble) and unfortunately the Turks have betrayed the Kurds this past century, with the help and concent of the imperial powers. This is a classic case of devide and conquer. Really we are being used as pawns.

[Fire]

Fire, why do you question my identity? I think its rude of you, and I will then also question your true identity (maybe not a real Kurd). And if you enjoy being a little pawn to serve some agenda of others, then go ahead. If Anthea hates Turks so much, then maybe she should go and attack their forums. All this talk of hate all the time is not helpful to aynone, and especially when we (Kurds) are trying to build an international profile of a progressive open minded people, not a bunch backwards of hate mongers. I know that you and Anthea were the most vocal against the letter supposedly sent from Ocalan. Anyway, the US just signed an agreement with Turkey to use American drones against guess who? If you truly hate Turk and you want to defeat them, then you have to be smarter than them and not give them an excuse to attack, until you can defend yourself. This is exactly what the Kurds in NK are trying to do. Seems like you and Anthea want to see someone fight Turkey, but you guys dont want to do the fighting, you want the Kurds to do it for y

First of all I don't question your identity,ok? Second. NOBODY here is for war and nobody has something against peace but I said, it's impossible that it can happen if only one side wants it whereas the others don't even accept you as a human beeing and would like to commit a genocide against the Kurdish Nation. What's not understandable about that?

And if Turks would have the character and the balls and really want to have peace with the Kurdish Nation they would fall to knees and apology for everything what they did to us and still does. This would be the very first step to start peace. But as Long as this doesn't happen and as Long as this mentally disordered not existing fake occupying Nation of different sperms is even so diseased that they expect an apology from Kurds this will never happen. The reality is that the Turks still doesn't accept the Kurdish People as a Nation who have as many human rights as others. First of all they occupy you,kill you, fuck your head up and say you are a Turk and then blame you for opposing that. And you can't build up peace under this circumstandes. This is the reality and you know it. Like I said. I have nothing against peace but if These Things don't Change and they probably won't change peace will be impossible.

[Anthea]

Anthea, historicaly Kurds and Turks were not always enemies (sorry to burst your Kurdish history bubble) and unfortunately the Turks have betrayed the Kurds this past century, with the help and concent of the imperial powers. This is a classic case of devide and conquer. Really we are being used as pawns.

Go back far enough and we ALL came out of Africa

The Turkish regime has spent many years fostering hatred through the education system and the media. We ALL know that to be a FACT

The atrocities that Turks have inflicted upon the Kurds have proved them to behave savagely. Perhaps you think that all the terrible things Turks have been doing to Kurds have been done out of love and friendship. The disgusting way Turks put bodies of dead Kurds on RUBBISH TIPS has nothing to do with the divide and conquer it is the act of people with subhuman brains

We all know Kurds have been divided and have been fighting to gain recognition

Throughout the entire world indigenous peoples have been getting their traditional homelands back

[Cewlik]

Anthea, historicaly Kurds and Turks were not always enemies (sorry to burst your Kurdish history bubble) and unfortunately the Turks have betrayed the Kurds this past century, with the help and concent of the imperial powers. This is a classic case of devide and conquer. Really we are being used as pawns.

HZKurdi please stop. You dont say it directly, but you talk like that Turks were pushed from the west to occupy Kurdistan and to kill Kurds, but thats not true, they did it with their own decision, they get help from the world, but they do it with their own decision.

At the point of insults I agree with you, there is no need for that in this Forum.

To Anthea and Fire, I can understand you anger. But we dont can push the PKK to fight, I think we agree that the PKK is ideological on the wrong course. Thats why it is better if they go.

What we should support is a new party and movement, which will demand the real rights of the 25 Million northern Kurds which is real Autonomy or independence and not the personal ideas of one person.

[Shirko]

Cewlik, you are right, nobody forced the the turks to do it. But they gave them the opportunity. But I want to ask a question why do both Israel and Turkey, have the same ratio of Kurds or Palestinians in their borders and around their borders? Israel has a Palestinian population of %20 in its border and the rest of them are outside it, just like Turkey about 20% if its population Kurds in its border, the rest are outside it. This happens to be the maximum number a minority can exist in a country and not ever being a major threat. I believe this is the deal the West made with Turkey, they can have a country if they cooperate and allow Israel to be istablished. 20% minority can never reallly be a major threat. This is the plan, throw the Kurds under the bus, so that Israel can exist. And now Turkey is pretending to be the hero of the Arabs and the Israelis want to play hero to the Kurds. This is just a big game, and I ak supprised that you guys dont see it. This is all part of a big master plan to rule the world, it has to do with secret societies, like the free masons and the zionists.

[Shirko]

They first devided and conquered the Ottoman empire, then they struck a deak with the Turkes.

[Anthea]

I do not agree with fighting. I am probably the only person on here who writes about Ghandi. I am always writing that the strength of the Kurds is in there numbers and they should do more campaigns and protests

The fact remain that every time a Kurd died fighting for the PKK their bodies were taken home and given a hero's funeral because this is the way that the Kurdish people feel about the freedom fighters

Many men joined the PKK to fight for a free Kurdistan. Let there be another cease-fire, Turkey did not take any notice of all the other cease-fires but by all means try again. There is no need for the PKK to leave Turkish soil, none what-so-ever. I believe that the PKK with it's years of experience and extremely large network should become the army of an Independent or Autonomous Kurdistan the same way as the peshmerga have become the army of South Kurdistan

erDOGan has stated many times that he would never allow Kurds in Syria or Turkey to have any form of independence, If the PKK leave Turkish soil Turkey will NEVER ALLOW the Kurds to become so powerful and well organised again

I do NOT think that the PKK fighters should be banned from Turkish after so many thousands gave up their lives fighting for freedom. I think that they should stay in Turkey and agree to a cease-fire. Then use all their experience, organisational skills and influence to obtain publicity and support for an Independent or Autonomous Kurdish region

[Shirko]

Anthea, I know that you are a good supporter and defender of Kurds. I was just wondering why you are so anti-turk, its not an attack directed at you or anything. I dont care if you call them names, they deserve it. Its just that i am seeing many groups trying to use the Kurds for their own interests, and i see Kurds going in all directions, no cohesiveness. I
Cewlik thinks that they need a new party in NK (i agree), and you think that the PKK should just ditch Ocalan (not sure exactly what Fire wants) Turkey doesnt want a new party because PKK is not recognized by the world and they can attack with impunity, while at the same time they have the leader in jail. And the Kurds in NK are fixated on Ocalan and PKK, so no chance of a new party or leader any time soon. A Turkish Kurdish union is the conclusion. Look at the pictures when they opened the airport in Hawler, Erdogan was there and the turkish flag was right up there with the Kurdish flag and Iraqi flag. If thats not a clue, I dint know what clue, I dont know what is...