Turkey: Punishment for drawing with Kurdish colours

[Parzin]

Aw Baris. You are a good person...the problem with writing is that sometimes we are not able to see the emotions behind the words and therefore assume things. If you were joking, I took it seriously because I did not know what was meant by the words, other than the literal meaning. Thanks for letting us know.

[SinekSekiz]

The drawing might indead is beatiful and the teacher might really overreact but it is not the collors Turkish citizens afraid of. It is infact the mesage that has been given using by those three colors.

I do not blame a kid to chose those colors. I blame the family expose their kids to a socio-political idea. I find the punishment ridiculos also but nobody in here ask the question of "Why those three colors?"

Well as long as if it is not forming a non-existing flag I do not have anything against to red, green or yellow. However if you hang a non-existing country's flag with a provocative message against to Turkish flag you basically piss someones legg in Turkey.

And the trafic lights are still in red, yellow and green : ) (What a clever joke. Ha ha HA.)

[Diri]

The drawing might indead is beatiful and the teacher might really overreact but it is not the collors Turkish citizens afraid of. It is infact the mesage that has been given using by those three colors.

I do not blame a kid to chose those colors. I blame the family expose their kids to a socio-political idea. I find the punishment ridiculos also but nobody in here ask the question of "Why those three colors?"

Well as long as if it is not forming a non-existing flag I do not have anything against to red, green or yellow. However if you hang a non-existing country's flag with a provocative message against to Turkish flag you basically piss someones legg in Turkey.

And the trafic lights are still in red, yellow and green : ) (What a clever joke. Ha ha HA.)

You've got no respect for Kurds...

How can you be such a hypocrit? You say ONE thing - asking people to respect YOU and Turks - and then you turn around and do the same things you don't want others to do... SO - make up your mind... ARE you interested in respect and progress - or - are you just another Turkish fascist who has no respect for Kurds...?

And the matter with the traffic lights was limited to a certain area - around Şirnex from what I remember... It might have been somewhere else - Piling should know...

[SinekSekiz]

I have respect to human rights and people whom wants to get their rights but I wont except everything you say it just because you belive it so. I am respecting your Kurdistan idea because it is something you like however I wont except the existence of such country or the flag before i see them in the political maps.

It is not just against you do not wory. I do not like that flag with 3 moons on it. I mean it was Ottoman empires flag. Ok it is somehow beatiful as the flag you show however it is in history now. You can not bring that 3 moon flag up sight now as well as you can not bring back the ottoman empire.

It is not something against to you. Your country should be known from some other countries before it has known by me. Ideas are beatiful but they are not mostly corporial. You can not blame me for that.

[Piling]

Well as long as if it is not forming a non-existing flag I do not have anything against to red, green or yellow. However if you hang a non-existing country's flag with a provocative message against to Turkish flag you basically piss someones legg in Turkey.

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But if you enter in many Kurdish houses, in Diyarbakir, Cizre, Mush, Dersim, you'll find these 3 colours everywhere. So what are you going to do ? Exterminate that people ?

[zurderer]

Not I am against kurdish(!) colours, but It is DTP and PKK destroyed this image, Like Turkish nationalist destroyed image of grey wolf.

I personaly dislike grey wolf and Kurdish(!) colours but well children are still children and noone banned greywolf

[SinekSekiz]

Well as long as if it is not forming a non-existing flag I do not have anything against to red, green or yellow. However if you hang a non-existing country's flag with a provocative message against to Turkish flag you basically piss someones legg in Turkey.

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But if you enter in many Kurdish houses, in Diyarbakir, Cizre, Mush, Dersim, you'll find these 3 colours everywhere. So what are you going to do ? Exterminate that people ?

Of course not. People sould be able to live by their culture. My point is as zurderer stated combination fo those three colors some how transformed to political. I mean we of course do not want to change your ways and you can belive whatever you like to belive so but if you started to use your culture and include it to politics it is your abuse of your own culture not ours.

It is like someone brings a grey wolf painting in the class. As I said I hardly find this kids drawing as a crime and punishment so harsh but I am talking about that how come those three colors started to symbolise a threat consciously and sub-consciously. Grey wolf is a Turkish Myth but as far as I can see most of you hate it because what kind of political trend its symbolises.

As I said I am not blaming anybody but the family whom expose such a young kid to political propoganda. When I was 7 - 8 years old I used to hear my brothers talk about social revolution and listen Ahmet Kaya. You know what I used to do? I used to wear my short backwards so the pocket of it would come to left. Because left symbolises the komunism an stuff. : D Man what a stupid thing to do but thank god nobody cares or remmebers what you do when you are a kid. : DDD Well my brother then gave his vote to AKP : D Then I really started to belive "Only thing that never changes it changing itself." : ) I mean my father threw more then a few Ahmet Kaya casette trough window. The problem is there was no luck it was going to survive because we used to live 5th floor of a building. : )))

Anyways, you see if you expose your kids to politics they go and do somethign stupid. A Turkish comedian Cem Yilmaz says 'Kids are flowers, they do photosynthesis till they grow up." : DDD

I am sorry I just mess up to topic but you understand what I mean. : )

[Vladimir]

Cem Yilmaz is orginally Kurdish. Turkiyeli Kurt. Turklesmek works wonderfull:D.

[Savy]

Are you sure of that? Is he really Kurd?

[Tola]

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2006/12/16/guncel/gun03.html

North Kurdistan: In one of Batman Province's boroughs, Kozluk (village of "Yanikkaya"), 8 primary school children have been punished with a three day ban from school after making a drawing using the colours Red, Yellow & Green - Kurdish national colours (click link to see drawing)...

The Drawing:

The floor is in red, yellow and green tiles. A rainbow in red, yellow and green bends over an APPLE (red), a PEAR (green) and a BANANA (yellow)...

This is why these 8 children are prohibited from attending school for 3 days...

Dear Diri, this is not new.... .this is old in comparison with what faced our heroine "Layla Zana"... read:

"In March 1994 Layla Zana and her colleagues Hatip Dicle, Orhan Dogan, Selim Sadak (in July), all Kurdish members of the Parliament, were stripped of their Parliamentary immunity and arrested. Charges of separatism and illegal activities were brought against the four for publicly advocating peaceful coexistence between the Turkish and Kurdish peoples."

Go On...:

"Expression of Kurdish identity in Parliament and even the color of their clothes were used as evidence against them. "That the defendant Layla Zana on 18 October 1991 did wear clothes and accessories in yellow, green, red [colors associated with Kurdish flag] while addressing the people of Cizre on 18 October 1991," reads the prosecutor's statement of grounds cited for convicting Layla Zana."

And this was the reasons, that Layla Zana, sentenced for more than 15 years in prison.... n December 1994.

The color of their clothes used against them...... ?!!!!

Regards...

[Diri]

Dear Tola - welcome to Roj Bash Kurdistan - please check out the Introduce Yourself section...


I'm not a novice or uneducated - but thank you for pointing out what happened in 1994...

THIS however, dear Tola, happened only a few months ago...

Regards and hugs and kisses...

[Tola]

Dear Tola - welcome to Roj Bash Kurdistan - please check out the Introduce Yourself section...

Thanks a lot for ur welcoming and Roj Bashing (?) ...

I am glad to be here among u, although I think I am late somehow, but as they said: Never too late..... right?

I introduced myself already, and I explained the reason behind it.....

I'm not a novice or uneducated

Never, I didn't thought ur so my brother.... I never said this..... and please accept my apology if u understand my message so....

Much Regards....

[Diri]

Dear Tola - welcome to Roj Bash Kurdistan - please check out the Introduce Yourself section...

Thanks a lot for ur welcoming and Roj Bashing (?) ...

I am glad to be here among u, although I think I am late somehow, but as they said: Never too late..... right?

I introduced myself already, and I explained the reason behind it.....

I'm not a novice or uneducated

Never, I didn't thought ur so my brother.... I never said this..... and please accept my apology if u understand my message so....

Much Regards....

I am sorry birakem - it's my fault... You see - I was a bit put off by your comment - since if we should list the ill the Turkish state has done against the Kurds - we would need a 50 volume collection of books - each 1000 pages long... At LEAST...

So I was sort of put off by your comment - since we are talking about this one incident which happened in 2007... A very simple breach of human rights...

Although you are right: what they did to Leyla Zana for speaking Kurdish in the Turkish Parliament, does take the cake as far as violations of human rights. They annulled her immunity as a Parliamentarian, banned her political party, tortured and jailed her for saying "we have to work together, Kurds and Turks as brothers" ----> must be the most stupid thing Turkey ever did in terms of "political action"...

[Tola]

No no my bira, don't be sorry, it's okay.... as they said: Words are emotionless, so it's easy to misunderstand it....

Other than this word "Sorry", I do agree with u completely....

Dest Xosh